They're finally making a movie about Euronymous/Mayhem

[Descent]

If all BM is sped up distorted surf music, then it means BM=klezmer as surf rock is generally slowed down klezmer music.

if surf rock = klezmer on guitar
and Black metal = distorted surf rock
then Black metal = klezmer

Ouch...now I've definitely painted a target on my head

 

[Xaios]

Ain't that the truth, BROTHER

Thanks, now I'm imagining Larry Conklin (the bad one) in corpse paint making the "Hawaiian sound."

 

[KnightBrolaire]

mildly interesting interview with the director of the film (Akerlund).
http://www.metalinjection.net/inter...yhems-support-and-more-in-exclusive-interview

 

[PunkBillCarson]

This is going to be the Dragonball: Evolution of black metal.

 

[KnightBrolaire]

arnold seemed to like it.

 

[777timesgod]

I am surprised that so many BM guys are happy over this movie. It basically exposes their idols (not that we did not know, I am referring to the general public) as petty children who killed people/messed up their lives/were desperate attention whores. The irony is that the final tragedies (death of Mayhem members, imprisonment of Varg and that guy from Emperor) stopped the mess from getting bigger...
Seriously, to all who give Nu-metal a bad rap (pun intended), they cannot compare with the BM scene. The desperation coming from these people to get attention and then pretend to be devoted "kult artists" who are out there and ahead of the pack is mind boggling. Shame because some underground BM bands are really interesting and I always return to their stuff.
Have not watched the movie yet but I heard good stuff about the production and overall presentation. Naturally, it caused reactions from the surviving members who want their side of the story to come forward.

 

[Demiurge]

I am surprised that so many BM guys are happy over this movie. It basically exposes their idols (not that we did not know, I am referring to the general public) as petty children who killed people/messed up their lives/were desperate attention whores.

Maybe that's actually a healthy thing to realize. I mean, I don't think anyone can look back at their youthful indiscretions, etc. without a sense of perspective. A lot of rebellious kids take themselves too seriously- and sometimes they do interesting things, sometimes they do ridiculous things, and sometimes they do stupid shit that fucks up their lives. These kids managed to do all three at the same time and that's at least an interesting story.

 

[777timesgod]

Maybe that's actually a healthy thing to realize. I mean, I don't think anyone can look back at their youthful indiscretions, etc. without a sense of perspective. A lot of rebellious kids take themselves too seriously- and sometimes they do interesting things, sometimes they do ridiculous things, and sometimes they do stupid shit that fucks up their lives. These kids managed to do all three at the same time and that's at least an interesting story.

I could not agree more, it is good to know that similar events (at least of this magnitude) are not happening by metalheads. You hear the odd theft or beatdown or murder but not a string of back-to-back happenings.
Taking yourself too seriously in the metal genre is insane, it is practically entertainment and 99.9% of metalheads cannot compose (in a classical way, different than writing a song) properly or write intelligent/deep lyrics most of the time. It is a musical style aimed at emotions and it has its place of course in our lives but it must not consume one to the point of speaking/dressing/acting in a certain way 24/7.

 

[Demiurge]

It's probably a cheap explanation to offer, but what happened could maybe have only been a 'before the internet' kind of thing. Had Euronymous & co. been born 10-15 years later, they could have known the delight of pretending to do stuff on social media in lieu of actually doing it.

 

[Xaios]

It's probably a cheap explanation to offer, but what happened could maybe have only been a 'before the internet' kind of thing. Had Euronymous & co. been born 10-15 years later, they could have known the delight of pretending to do stuff on social media in lieu of actually doing it.

They didn't necessarily have to wait. Just watch the video for "Call of the Wintermoon," released in 1992, and tell me that Immortal wasn't hedging their social media cred by releasing something so ridiculous that it's practically prescient of e-fame.

 

[Demiurge]

^I want to commission an oil painting of every frame of that video.

 

[wankerness]

Another non-music forum I've gone to from time to time has had Horgh's face as the LOL emote for near 20 years now This one should adopt that strategy. He just looks so happy!

 

[777timesgod]

It's probably a cheap explanation to offer, but what happened could maybe have only been a 'before the internet' kind of thing. Had Euronymous & co. been born 10-15 years later, they could have known the delight of pretending to do stuff on social media in lieu of actually doing it.

Arguing on Facebook and Twitter is definitely a step forward to stabbing people.
You made me ponder how many fights are exhausted online as opposed to the street. Then again, I sometime read in the paper of beatdowns and other events which originated from internet arguments.

 

[PunkBillCarson]

I think anyone remotely interested in the situation should read the Black Metal Encyclopedia by Dayal Patterson. There's a lot of insight from various members of the bands regarding the scene and many of them actually realize they were young and stupid.

 

[Xaios]

I am surprised that so many BM guys are happy over this movie. It basically exposes their idols (not that we did not know, I am referring to the general public) as petty children who killed people/messed up their lives/were desperate attention whores. The irony is that the final tragedies (death of Mayhem members, imprisonment of Varg and that guy from Emperor) stopped the mess from getting bigger...
Seriously, to all who give Nu-metal a bad rap (pun intended), they cannot compare with the BM scene. The desperation coming from these people to get attention and then pretend to be devoted "kult artists" who are out there and ahead of the pack is mind boggling. Shame because some underground BM bands are really interesting and I always return to their stuff.

If I had to guess (purely hypothetical), at least some of this has to do with people in the scene who really do deeply believe in the "Tenets of Black Metal," ACTUAL trve kvlt black metal fans and musicians, are more than happy to see some of BM's more prominent figureheads revealed as posers and frauds, interested more in the image of notoriety, because they felt those people diluted the credibility of the movement. Because religion is honestly the most apt metaphor I can think of (and I'm speaking as someone who is religious), the figureheads are basically the Joel Osteens of this scenario, while the trve kvltists are Westboro Baptist. Honestly, they're both absolutely and fundamentally shitty, but on a certain level you kind of have to admire how good the former is at marketing to the masses (pun kind of intended, but doesn't work 100% because JO's church isnt Catholic), as well as how fervently convicted to the point of being legitimately terrifying the latter is.

 

[777timesgod]

If I had to guess (purely hypothetical), at least some of this has to do with people in the scene who really do deeply believe in the "Tenets of Black Metal," ACTUAL trve kvlt black metal fans and musicians, are more than happy to see some of BM's more prominent figureheads revealed as posers and frauds, interested more in the image of notoriety, because they felt those people diluted the credibility of the movement. Because religion is honestly the most apt metaphor I can think of (and I'm speaking as someone who is religious), the figureheads are basically the Joel Osteens of this scenario, while the trve kvltists are Westboro Baptist. Honestly, they're both absolutely and fundamentally shitty, but on a certain level you kind of have to admire how good the former is at marketing to the masses (pun kind of intended, but doesn't work 100% because JO's church isnt Catholic), as well as how fervently convicted to the point of being legitimately terrifying the latter is.

I had a discussion in a university class about BM music and we linked it to Gangsta rap at one point. The notoriety does give a sense of the forbidden fruit. In a way, they are living the life that they sing about it in the songs. Look at bands like Cannibal Corpse, I met the guys after a gig and they were polite and calm as hell (even Pat before he went crazy with the flamethrowers), completely different from their lyric content. Do we see them differently after the recent events? Probably not as it seems to have been a breakdown of one member but what if this was the norm and not the exception for them? Look at Guns N Roses, their behaviour sold records.
It makes people become drawn to it and to an extent manages to distinguish bands and people in oversaturated genres from one another. Unfortunately going all the way in Gangsta rap leads to drive-by shootings, pimping and drug dealing - in BM we see the murders/burnings and the Nazi connections.

 

[Demiurge]

I see music, like any other art, has to be understood to have some level of fantasy or fiction. No, this metal band doesn't worship Satan... no, this sad-bastard acoustic guitar guy hasn't been dumped once for every single song in his catalog... no, Li'l Soundcloud Rapper has never shot anyone. Which is all fine, considering what happens when some people become a little too fixated on "authenticity".

 

[777timesgod]

I see music, like any other art, has to be understood to have some level of fantasy or fiction. No, this metal band doesn't worship Satan... no, this sad-bastard acoustic guitar guy hasn't been dumped once for every single song in his catalog... no, Li'l Soundcloud Rapper has never shot anyone. Which is all fine, considering what happens when some people become a little too fixated on "authenticity".

Other artists from painting to poetry benefit from real life connections to the art. We move away from the feelings associated to an art piece (fear-hate-love-confusion-etc.). If the artists are living the art, then there is a pulling effect which brings the viewer/listener closer. Suddenly art comes to life, in a good or bad way sometimes.

 

[Demiurge]

^Oh, I can agree that an artist using their own experiences can make for an interesting and perhaps moving experience. For some stuff, murders and what have you, it's alright if they use their imagination, with art being a form of sublimation and all. Storytelling in a song is actually a pretty hard skill to develop, honestly.

 

[sezna]

Have you guys seen Varg's youtube channel? He used to just do random life/philosophy stuff and play mayhem songs on unplugged washburns, but he started uploading stuff about Euronymous after this movie came out, says he is being slandered and stuff. I couldn't make it through the video, too weird and boring, but he pins every single comment that supports him and ignores all the ones that don't lol. He also goes through his side of the story in lots of detail.

Sort of a dark corner of the internet I suppose, lol. He is also old and kinda chubby now.

disclaimer: was never a subscriber and I just discovered all of this last night. I watched in incognito so I don't get recommendations for conspiracy theory videos afterwards