The Fishman Fluence Thread

[drummerboy7816]

So I just picked up a PRS SVN used on guitar center that came with Fishman Moderns with the rechargeable battery! I'm loving the tone I'm getting on Voice 2. Voice 1 is great too for that extra added aggression and attack BUT, I have this crazy hum/buzz upon switching to in on both the neck and bridge pickups (middle position is goes away, but not sure if middle position the push/pull changes anything). I have to crank my noise gate to a unplayable level to make it stop while I'm not even playing. Any advise appreciated!!

Couple more notes:
- When I angle the guitar perfectly 90 degrees to the floor sometimes the buzz stops.. then when I tilt it again the buzz comes back in..
- Tried it on my axe fx 2 as well as a mini practice amp in separate room to rule out ground hum issue, but nothing changed.

 

[diagrammatiks]

So I just picked up a PRS SVN used on guitar center that came with Fishman Moderns with the rechargeable battery! I'm loving the tone I'm getting on Voice 2. Voice 1 is great too for that extra added aggression and attack BUT, I have this crazy hum/buzz upon switching to in on both the neck and bridge pickups (middle position is goes away, but not sure if middle position the push/pull changes anything). I have to crank my noise gate to a unplayable level to make it stop while I'm not even playing. Any advise appreciated!!

Couple more notes:
- When I angle the guitar perfectly 90 degrees to the floor sometimes the buzz stops.. then when I tilt it again the buzz comes back in..
- Tried it on my axe fx 2 as well as a mini practice amp in separate room to rule out ground hum issue, but nothing changed.

Sounds like something is not grounded correctly in the switching. It shouldn’t do that. You should only have hum when you coil split them.

 

[Noisy Humbucker]

I have this crazy hum/buzz upon switching to in on both the neck and bridge pickups (middle position is goes away, but not sure if middle position the push/pull changes anything)...

When I angle the guitar perfectly 90 degrees to the floor sometimes the buzz stops.. then when I tilt it again the buzz comes back in..

Does “Voice 1” sound kinda single coil-ish? Because everything you’re describing makes me thing coil split is engaged. That and it doesn’t make sense to me that you’d have a grounding issue on one voice but not with the other (though I suppose this is possible).

 

[drummerboy7816]

Yes! That’s how would describe it. “Voice 1”, now I’m questioning what it really is, does sound like single coil.. thinner, brighter with more “twang” and attack.

Where in the wiring process would I change this so that push-pull would engage full humbucker voice 1 and 2? I don’t mind soldering and all that, but am not familiar with all the wire routing for this.

 

[Indigo Shinigami]

Yes! That’s how would describe it. “Voice 1”, now I’m questioning what it really is, does sound like single coil.. thinner, brighter with more “twang” and attack.

Where in the wiring process would I change this so that push-pull would engage full humbucker voice 1 and 2? I don’t mind soldering and all that, but am not familiar with all the wire routing for this.

The voicing is (normally) connected through the green/orange wires on the quick connect harness on the pickup side. Splitting on the moderns involves having wires soldered to pads on the back of the pickups.

All you'd need to do is solder the green/orange wires to the push pull, granted if they're still there and aren't actually attached to another switch or something. (I assume they aren't, but always safe to check anyway, since that guitar normally has 2 pots)

 

[drummerboy7816]

Man you guys are good! Pulled out the pickups and indeed there were 2 wires soldered to the coil into the push pull.

The green & orange wires are currently soldered to the other non push-pull pot, what would that do exactly? I assume I would just have to disconnect them from that pot, disconnect the coil split wires from the the p/p pot, the reconnect the green/orange wires to the p/p pot?

 

[Indigo Shinigami]

Man you guys are good! Pulled out the pickups and indeed there were 2 wires soldered to the coil into the push pull.

The green & orange wires are currently soldered to the other non push-pull pot, what would that do exactly? I assume I would just have to disconnect them from that pot, disconnect the coil split wires from the the p/p pot, the reconnect the green/orange wires to the p/p pot?

Right now, I'm pretty sure they are wired to only have voice 2 on all the time. But swapping the wires on the p/p would let you use both voices, yes. You'd just need another p/p for if you wanted to use splits too.

 

[lewis]

Right got some time tomorrow.

Can someone tell me exactly what i need to do to change my permanent voice 1 moderns using emg solderless stuff, to being permanent voice 2 instead?

Is it as simple as moving the solderless plugs around on the back of each pickup or something?

 

[Strobe]

Right got some time tomorrow.

Can someone tell me exactly what i need to do to change my permanent voice 1 moderns using emg solderless stuff, to being permanent voice 2 instead?

Is it as simple as moving the solderless plugs around on the back of each pickup or something?

Take Jumper. Put jumper on two pins that engage voice two. It's essentially connecting the two pins electrically. That's it.

 

[NoodleFace]

Take Jumper. Put jumper on two pins that engage voice two. It's essentially connecting the two pins electrically. That's it.

Yep, like the pic I posted you just put a jumper to connect the two pins that have the voice you want.

 

[cardinal]

An eBay 15% coupon kicked me into getting a set of Modern 8s. Compared to the BKP Mules that I had, I think this is what I was after. Much less “jangle” on the high strings but a bit thicker in the middle and still clear bass.

And then there’s the other mode that is thinner, more aggressive, and more saturated sounding which seems to work well for thrash’s stuff.

I somewhat accidentally ordered a set of EMG 57-8/66-8 too. Will these just plug and play with the Fishman wiring? (The push pull wouldn’t do anything, of course).

 

[cardinal]

Anyone tried the Alnico Modern at the bridge position? I realize this will take about 10 minutes tops to swap and hear for myself, but just curious how it compares to the ceramic Modern

 

[Strobe]

Anyone tried the Alnico Modern at the bridge position? I realize this will take about 10 minutes tops to swap and hear for myself, but just curious how it compares to the ceramic Modern

Yeah. I have it in my single pickup Jackson RR24M. It's not a huge difference. Mostly the mid character changes a little bit in voice 1. A little more low mids a little less cocked wah upper mid to the voice. It's not drastically different. I think I like the ceramic better in the bridge, but this felt like a better fit for the characteristics of this guitar. It's quite bright and I wanted the slightly darker more low mid tone in it.

I also like the cleans better on V2 of the alnico more, which is part of why I put it in this guitar. Worth mentioning, this guitar is permanently set up in drop C, so all my experience with this in the bridge is only in that tuning and this guitar. I have two others with the modern (a 6 and a 7) and both have the ceramic in the bridge and the alnico in the neck.

 

[LeviathanKiller]

Anyone tried the Alnico Modern at the bridge position? I realize this will take about 10 minutes tops to swap and hear for myself, but just curious how it compares to the ceramic Modern

I still need to do this before I get rid of my sets! dang, I keep forgetting
I might today or tomorrow if I have the time and I will let you know how they compare since I have another guitar with them in the normal configuration.

 

[lewis]

ok so Ive looked everywhere and cant find any of the extra stuff that came with the Fishmans so christ knows what Ive done with the pots and more importantly the jumper cable

what did it look like and can I find something the same on ebay or something?

 

[diagrammatiks]

You could learn how to solder.
Or just wrap a piece of bare wire around the two posts.

 

[Strobe]

ok so Ive looked everywhere and cant find any of the extra stuff that came with the Fishmans so christ knows what Ive done with the pots and more importantly the jumper cable

what did it look like and can I find something the same on ebay or something?

They are little square black pieces of plastic about the size of a tic tac. If you look inside, there is a piece of metal that connects the two pins as you push it over the jumpers. It's like a short small version of the 2 pin quick connect ends you put over the pins.

 

[lewis]

They are little square black pieces of plastic about the size of a tic tac. If you look inside, there is a piece of metal that connects the two pins as you push it over the jumpers. It's like a short small version of the 2 pin quick connect ends you put over the pins.

shit. No idea if I still have that.

Can they be acquired from anywhere? Are they like normal parts found by people who make like PCBs and do soldering, or is this a unique thing to Fishman?

 

[diagrammatiks]

shit. No idea if I still have that.

Can they be acquired from anywhere? Are they like normal parts found by people who make like PCBs and do soldering, or is this a unique thing to Fishman?

It’s just a jumper. Any jumper will do. Fishman will probably sell you some as well.

It’s electronics man. You can turn a Chinese knockoff guitar into a blinged out Chinese knock off guitar filled with USA parts. You can figure out how to bridge with contacts with a piece of wire and electrical tape.

Just remember if you can dodge a wrench you can dodge a ball.

 

[Strobe]

shit. No idea if I still have that.

Can they be acquired from anywhere? Are they like normal parts found by people who make like PCBs and do soldering, or is this a unique thing to Fishman?

They look like this. They are cheap cheap cheap. $0.30 a piece here in the US.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0127QLN9G/?tag=sevenstringorg-20

I would contact Fishman to make sure you get the correct ones. They will sell them. They may send them for free.