Live Show Etiquette

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Maybe the hardware can be, but software-wise, I'd disagree. I've met enough non-tech-savvy musicians that I wouldn't expect the average person to know how to keep a laptop from suddenly deciding that today is the day to do some kind of maintenance task, or windows update, or whatever else.
IME if you can figure out how to setup tracks and splits you can figure out how to not go online with your show computer until it’s needed. It’s pretty much never the tech’s fault shit goes wrong, lol. Poor carpenter that blames his tools or whatever. That being said, you should probably still know how the songs go without the tracks.
 

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Just generally being respectful, as in, treating other bands the way you would like your band to be treated.

Years ago, I do a ton of festivals, and there was always at least one band ruining everyone else's day. So many bands showed up with literally zero gear, no amps, no drums, no guitars... multiple bands showing up after their scheduled start time and leaving the moment they were done. I sort of wish there was a yelp for bands. When I did my album release, I sent invitee bands a contract rider explaining the expectations- if they could not commit to being on time and bringing their own instruments (PA was provided and amps and drums could be arranged prior to the show date), don't agree to play. We still had one band show up late without reason and all members left immediately after, but they brought their gear and were respectful. The show was overall a blast.

I think the biggest part is in communication. If no one ever tells the next generation that they are expectee to not be dicks, they might turn out to be dicks.
 

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IME if you can figure out how to setup tracks and splits you can figure out how to not go online with your show computer until it’s needed. It’s pretty much never the tech’s fault shit goes wrong, lol. Poor carpenter that blames his tools or whatever. That being said, you should probably still know how the songs go without the tracks.
Track record so far has been that out of the 4 or so bands I've seen in the last couple months who needed a laptop for a set, three of them had to grind (not in a good way) to a halt waiting for their cursor to stop spinning while the audience just stood around and twiddled their thumbs until they could restart their project and keep going. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 

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Track record so far has been that out of the 4 or so bands I've seen in the last couple months who needed a laptop for a set, three of them had to grind (not in a good way) to a halt waiting for their cursor to stop spinning while the audience just stood around and twiddled their thumbs until they could restart their project and keep going. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
That sounds unbelievable honestly unless you’re playing basements with teenagers. I’ve played with at least a dozen bands over the last three weeks, probably at least 8 of which had a laptop integrated in some fashion, with zero stoppages due to computers.
 

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Another for the list, is good stage banter. Like anything it takes time to figure out what works and what makes you look like a fucking dork, there's a certain art to working a crowd. Jokes especially require some finesse. IME standard "jokes" with setup like you'd make in conversation are a no, but in-the-moment cracks about equipment malfunctions, being out of tune, riffing on stuff the audience says etc, can really land and make people feel like a part of the show. Be gracious, be nice, don't be afraid to be fucking adorable.

I got invited to play a little show last night, couple firsts for both of us (2pc with me and a bassist, he's new to bass and I'm new to singing). Between watching another friend who is a veteran performer but new to electric fuck with their misbehaving pedalboard in a somewhat clueless manner, and having my entire setup torn down and packed up while our other half was still chatting with the crowd, definitely showed me how much I've learned and internalized over the years. I react instinctively to "everything is on but no sound comes out" at this point, I've pretty much made every mistake there is in that regard 10x over and there really aren't that many points of failure at the end of the day.

had to grind (not in a good way)
Thanks for that :lol:

I'm probably a luddite but I would never trust a laptop in a live setting and 100% agree that if you're using one, you should be completely ready to make the show go on without it. If my pedalboard somehow catastrophically failed (I sincerely doubt it, but if), I could still finish my set. It wouldn't quite be the same set, and I might have to drop some stuff, but it would be a set and I would finish it.
 

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Another for the list, is good stage banter. Like anything it takes time to figure out what works and what makes you look like a fucking dork, there's a certain art to working a crowd. Jokes especially require some finesse. IME standard "jokes" with setup like you'd make in conversation are a no, but in-the-moment cracks about equipment malfunctions, being out of tune, riffing on stuff the audience says etc, can really land and make people feel like a part of the show. Be gracious, be nice, don't be afraid to be fucking adorable.

I got invited to play a little show last night, couple firsts for both of us (2pc with me and a bassist, he's new to bass and I'm new to singing). Between watching another friend who is a veteran performer but new to electric fuck with their misbehaving pedalboard in a somewhat clueless manner, and having my entire setup torn down and packed up while our other half was still chatting with the crowd, definitely showed me how much I've learned and internalized over the years. I react instinctively to "everything is on but no sound comes out" at this point, I've pretty much made every mistake there is in that regard 10x over and there really aren't that many points of failure at the end of the day.


Thanks for that :lol:

I'm probably a luddite but I would never trust a laptop in a live setting and 100% agree that if you're using one, you should be completely ready to make the show go on without it. If my pedalboard somehow catastrophically failed (I sincerely doubt it, but if), I could still finish my set. It wouldn't quite be the same set, and I might have to drop some stuff, but it would be a set and I would finish it.
Stage banter is a hard one for me. Rehearsed stuff always is noticeable and comes off as corny to me.
 

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TL;DR - what are some things you insist on doing/not doing when playing shows that you think are important?

I've been playing a few local-ish "fests" lately with 6-10 bands and I'm starting to think a lot of musicians are really just ignorant assholes all the time. There are few things that I prefer to do and ask of my bandmates to NOT be those people:
- Be On Time
- Load/Strike the Stage Quickly
- Ask in advance for set times and plan to not go over
- Try to see as much of the show as possible
- Not be a dick to the promotor/other bands

These seem like easy things, but the more shows I play it appears that about 70% original musicians don't think any of this shit is important.
To add to this, don't do unexpected encores that no one asked for. Maybe you won't pay for it, but every band after you likely will. It has happened to me before unfortunately. One of the worst feelings after traveling over 24 hours without any sleep is being told your set is getting cut short due to the band before you going 15 minutes over.
 

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To add to this, don't do unexpected encores that no one asked for. Maybe you won't pay for it, but every band after you likely will. It has happened to me before unfortunately. One of the worst feelings after traveling over 24 hours without any sleep is being told your set is getting cut short due to the band before you going 15 minutes over.
If there are bands after you on a bill you shouldn't even be considering an encore.
 

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I've had a set cut short because a band took over an hour and a half to set their shit up. Sound guy is standing next to me watching the clusterfuck like "should I tell them to hurry it up?" Me now would've said yes, definitely, like 45 minutes ago, but I was like idk dude that's your call. They weren't even good.
 

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I've had a set cut short because a band took over an hour and a half to set their shit up. Sound guy is standing next to me watching the clusterfuck like "should I tell them to hurry it up?" Me now would've said yes, definitely, like 45 minutes ago, but I was like idk dude that's your call. They weren't even good.
I stopped having time for this shit like 10 years ago. I just start moving stuff until somebody says something to me. I've told more than one drummer "move your shit or I'm throwing it down over there".
 

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It seems to be a pattern lately where I'll go to shows, the bands will have this elaborate setup with backing tracks and IEMs and their own mixing and monitoring, etc. - which I'm sure is fantastic while it's all working, but then the laptop breaks down and the show is stalled for 15-20 minutes while they troubleshoot it. A month or two back, there were two bands in the same show that had the same thing happen - all setup and ready to go, they start, then the laptop freezes up and the show grinds to a halt. If you can't continue without the laptop, don't integrate a laptop into your live set. Laptops are not reliable for stage shows.

I mean, most of my live playing has been as a hired gun in a idk the right word but basically a house band. We were in the same venue, so it was always the same setup and it was amazing how it was never the same problem. I'm sure some of the DI box issues we had have been resolved because this was back when stuff like the AxeFX was first starting to become a thing, but based of my experience, I can't imagine trying to incorporate a laptop. We tried one just to control the lights and I got the spotlight stuck on me until like 3 or so minutes until I came in for the chorus.

While this is based of older knowledge of how venues work, I had issues with just an amp and pedal board, I can't imagine trying to add a laptop into all that.
 

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Definitely call the crowd pussies for just standing there and not getting brutal 🤘
Same energy as "sorry we suck!" Thanks for the warning fellas. I think I did both of these at my first band's first show in high school.

I don't even smoke anymore, but I will go outside and pretend to smoke for your entire set.
 

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I've learned to not talk gear, or only talk positively.

Guy has a Marshall MG? It sounds great. Guy think's his MG sucks and wants to buy a "real" Marshall, his MG still sounds great but the "real" Marshall will sound even better. Guy starts talking up his MG while shit talking someone else's cheap no-name crap (i.e., Friedman), I sidestep the conversation and move onto something/someone else.

Someone gave me shit for basically saying this exact thing a few months back. “So you’re ok with lying to people?”

No, but I’m absolutely ok with throwing someone some support when they’re getting the balls to get up on stage to do their thing. At any given gig down here you can see anything from a 90’s Crate combo mic’d up to a Friedman amp with a Fractal in the loop. There’s maybe 2% of players who get on those stages that aren’t aware the gear they’re using is “subpar” in comparison to others doing the same kind of music, no one needs to be told anything negative about their gear at a show.
 

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Re: banter

If no one in your band is good at it, buy an rc3/loop pedal, load some movie clips and make sure one pause is thanking venue/staff/bands/crowd. No awkward chat no awkward pauses and you get through.

Re encore; if you arent a beloved bad (the 1000 cap room is nearly at capacity) dont play one :lol:.

And if you have messy props, clear it with the venue, promoter and other bands first :lol:.
 
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