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^ that's all my fault for not quoting properly - sorry

I agree with this and would add that it is increasingly the case for men too. Maybe when all the men have to be buff more women will be interested?

It's very interesting, but I do still wonder where, specifically in regard to metal music these women might be? Eli had a bash at some evidence but there really didn't seem much there that as either recent or tangible. Could this not simply be market serving itself? I'd also be really...

Looks like I took a bad analogy and somehow made it worse h aha. Anyhow, totally agree it is part of expectation of women and also increasingly so of men. The men photos in Kim's piece are good evidence that days are coming to an end for men in metal photoshoot of chuck on a faded tshirt and...

^Well the point is that it's the way women are presenting themselves that is the problem. Who are we as mere men to say they can't do sexy photo shoot? Your position is that somehow they should be prevented from doing so for benefit of other women?

Thanks to all for your input of young girls learning guitar. It's good to hear some other input. I'm afraid that analogy above is really bad, because the proposal here seems more akin to you going up to the black guy and telling him he's not being the black guy you think he should be and that...

I took a look at the evidence you put forward: Eli I just read your post above and it sounds admirable stuff. But are you sure we don't agree? My point is women should be able to choose to do whatever they want and are welcome participants on the metal sphere I operate in.

^not dismissing the convo just questioning where is the evidence. I have some limited experience of guitar teaching and saw it not being popular with girls. I don't think they were being scared away by music press at 8yrs old. We haven't heard from anyone else that has offered anything on this...

It's a shame that page 6 got to be the page where it all got reduced to name-calling. Dayn you are implying you are some kind of lawyer? Eli you are representing your employer with your posts? Have a look at the man you are calling these things - I presume he is in the middle...

You're absolutely right, it is of course more nuanced than that. And there's like a billion different parts of differing debates going on here. I was clumsily try to distinguish between those who think that feminism isn't an issue here because it perhaps has never been and those that think it...

Are there any school guitar teachers on here? I had some experience as peri teacher in 90s UK and there weren't many girls taking up guitar to start with. Could it be that they are choosing dance or netball or violin or clarinet or something else? When you're a kid there's only so many...

For me most amusing notions in this thread are that average (aka ugly) women are under-represented and that it is an idea to look at a female guitarist but disregard her appearance (reminds a bit of Bill Clinton's not inhaling). I come from the UK which I am starting to think is some...

I think the issue is not one of controlling bias but ensuring accuracy and maybe also agreed standards. Certainly the idea of broadcasting ISIS executions is abhorrent to me and I would think anyone would hope that responsible broadcasters wouldn't air that. A standard of 'we will take all...

^ a nearly 3yr old obit from Australia is hardly evidence of worldwide oppression of women. If we're throwing singular examples around it's massively trumped by Angela Merkel's Chancellorship of Germany. If we're talking of Australia isn't richest most powerful Australian a female mining tycoon?

I've not used them for years but mobineko for example used to do pro-pressed from 100copies and up so you could even maybe do proper replicated cds rather than duplicated cdrs for less money.

Not too sure how things are where you are, but certainly can say in my experience women have advantage over men in area of sales, which is very lucrative area of business. And in fact in UK I personally know of quite a few examples of women who have what is maybe feminist dream. They have...

Hold on, isn't that exactly what the article is about - the over-representation of dolled-up sexualised women in metal. And that their talent is covered secondarily, if at all. I didn't say no talent and neither did Kim.

That might be the case but it doesn't give any clue as to why that might be. There's no suggestion that there's swathes of fantastic female guitarists being shunned in favor of men. Could it be that it is just a pursuit that more men happen to be interested in?

My view is that women are not being marginalized in metal music and I suspect that they very happily use their sexuality to gain advantage in ways that men cannot. Does Maria Brink get a leg up and more press coverage because she is attractive? Of course as that sells magazines to the (i'm guess...

While I wouldn't wish to defend these a-holes, the Islamic principle is Qisas which is basically similar to lex talionis or an-eye-for-an-eye as espoused by the Bible. The gist is that pilots are dropping incendiary bombs on IS so it is ok to set their pilots on fire in retaliation. Just as...