An actual good pick

[TedEH]

unless you're trying to say Donald did something cool as hell.

You know what they say about broken clocks.

It only matters if "looks cool" is a meaningful qualification for running a country.

 

[philkilla]

Damn, I must be missing all that because I don't have cable tv.

Whole party of people who get told what their opinions are by fox news

 

[philkilla]

Loving you boot lockers as always.

Me, "I don't like this political personality"

You, "oh you're just a trumpet blower"


It honestly doesn't matter. We'll get our tastes of socialism in the country to please the wackos, country will go to shit, people will die, and all the major population centers that voted for it will reap what they sow.

Good luck everyone

 

[JDB123]

It honestly doesn't matter. We'll get our tastes of socialism in the country to please the wackos, country will go to shit, people will die, and all the major population centers that voted for it will reap what they sow.

Man I get so tired of socialism being thrown around like it's some dirty word. We live in the third largest country by population on the planet. Some systems have to be socialized so people can eat, pay rent, put gas in their cars, see doctors etc. These aren't new issues. I'm pretty sure we're not at risk of Russian Collectivism or anything like that. The boogeyman isn't real.

You know what other welfare system could use a closer look and some widespread reform? The military welfare system. Privatization the last 30 years has done that system a whole lot of good, right?

 

[StevenC]

Loving you boot lockers as always.

Me, "I don't like this political personality"

You, "oh you're just a trumpet blower"


It honestly doesn't matter. We'll get our tastes of socialism in the country to please the wackos, country will go to shit, people will die, and all the major population centers that voted for it will reap what they sow.

Good luck everyone

Do you know what boot licking is?

 

[Rubbishplayer]

Fixed that for you.



Looks like he served as a command sergeant major, but retired prior to completing the requirement to retire with the rank, so, depending on the specific wording of a claim, this may be a stretch.

But he had put in for retirement two months before any notification of his unit’s deployment, so any deployment dodging claims are bullshit. For actual draft/deployment dodging, see Donald Trump’s claims of bone spurs. Do you have a word for this?



I didn’t realize that Bernie Sanders* or Elizabeth Warren* were running in 2024.



* Even they are only radical in comparison to the far right. Left? Yes. Radical? No.

Some people in the UK would consider Biden and Harris/Walz as right of centre, compared to UK politics and Trump somewhere right of The Joker, but I couldn't possibly comment..

 

[Rubbishplayer]

Man I get so tired of socialism being thrown around like it's some dirty word. We live in the third largest country by population on the planet. Some systems have to be socialized so people can eat, pay rent, put gas in their cars, see doctors etc. These aren't new issues. I'm pretty sure we're not at risk of Russian Collectivism or anything like that. The boogeyman isn't real.

You know what other welfare system could use a closer look and some widespread reform? The military welfare system. Privatization the last 30 years has done that system a whole lot of good, right?

By the US definition, most countries in Europe are "socialist". And even the UK's most right-wing parties wouldn't abolish free healthcare (I suspect that goes for other far-right European parties, but happy to be corrected).

 

[TedEH]

people will die

Die by what? You know the "woke mind virus" isn't a real virus, right? That it's a metaphor? Like, you can't "get a case of the socialism" and die. You're not going to be on your deathbed thinking "if I only I hadn't cared so much about my fellow man" before succumbing to a severe student loan forgiveness. You're not going to get a phone call from the authorities informing you that one of your loved ones had their head explode because it couldn't contain all the subsidized education. Or maybe folks will be at higher risk of house fires when they can afford houses. Or maybe we'll be health-care'd to death. I bet that's it. We'll have too much access to health care, and die of option paralysis.

You know what absolutely could kill people though? Maybe something like re-classifying anyone who isn't strait / cis as a sex offender (along with librarians!), then changing the penalty for sex crimes to death. (Hint: project 2025 has both of these things in it.)

 

[MFB]

In b4 philkilla says "project 2025 isn't real"

 

[StevenC]

By the US definition, most countries in Europe are "socialist". And even the UK's most right-wing parties wouldn't abolish free healthcare (I suspect that goes for other far-right European parties, but happy to be corrected).

The NHS has been demolished in the last 14 years, and our current government has shown no signs of reversing that. Many NHS services just stopped seeing patients as policy.

 

[crushingpetal]

By socialism, that guy above is talking about public parks. He hates public parks. Like, hates them.

 

[Rubbishplayer]

The NHS has been demolished in the last 14 years, and our current government has shown no signs of reversing that. Many NHS services just stopped seeing patients as policy.

Demolished is a tad dramatic, but I don't disagree: the NHS was suffering before covid and afterwards was subjected to further austerity.

But I still got extensively tested and cleared of having cancer within three months of symptoms, and entirely for free. And had I'd got bad news, I'd be on chemo and prioritised for surgical intervention.

For free.

Not bad for a system that's been "demolished".

 

[narad]

Even a complete dipshit narcissistic coward man-child like Donnie Dollhands can accidentally do a cool thing once or twice in his life.

I don't think he did a cool thing. I think it's one thing to dodge a draft because you're adamantly against war, and entirely different to dodge it when you think war is cool but are too cowardly to serve yourself. I think it's clear where Trump falls on this spectrum, but I'm not sure where Tim Walz fits here -- sounds like he was just ready to switch over to a political career. But nothing in his record that I've seen really points to him being particularly against war. You know, you have one guy in here saying Walz retired without knowing about troop mobilization, and you have another guy saying he retired because he "didn't want to commit a crime". These are not going to both be true.

So that's what I mean. No point in everyone tripping over oneself trying to define Walz as some patronus of their own personal values just to argue directly against whatever a Trump fanboi says.

 

[Moongrum]

I think Walz has been pretty transparent about his service, but CNN points to one misleading statement he said in a video for the ban of assault weapons, from CNN:

“We can make sure that those weapons of war, that I carried in war, is the only place where those weapons are at,” Walz said in the video.

You can interpret that however you want, but I think it's misleading.
Not anything that would influence my election choice, it's just typical politician posturing

 

[Rubbishplayer]

I think Walz has been pretty transparent about his service, but CNN points to one misleading statement he said in a video for the ban of assault weapons, from CNN:

You can interpret that however you want, but I think it's misleading.
Not anything that would influence my election choice, it's just typical politician posturing

That's pretty thin.

 

[StevenC]

Demolished is a tad dramatic, but I don't disagree: the NHS was suffering before covid and afterwards was subjected to further austerity.

But I still got extensively tested and cleared of having cancer within three months of symptoms, and entirely for free. And had I'd got bad news, I'd be on chemo and prioritised for surgical intervention.

For free.

Not bad for a system that's been "demolished".

You live in London and cancer services are the one thing actually operating sort of properly.

I can almost guarantee I've had more serious run ins with the NHS than most people my age and haven't had complaints. But that is a very different matter to whether or not general non life threatening care is functioning. I legit waited 4 years on an operation to prevent me being crippled. Adult ADHD services in parts of the country have 10 year waits, that's not an exaggeration. Gender clinics are over 6 years in some places.

And again, this is not a result of austerity. This is a policy of treating as few patients as possible.

 

[Randy]

Yeah "war" eh but contextually I interpreted it as carrying a gun during obligations arising from military service. He said carried, didn't say he was shooting or getting shot at. The overarching point of the quote wasn't really to flex combat experience, it was to say he was familiar with the weapons as a vet (just as much as someone like Vance) and it doesn't mesh with civilian settings.

 

[Rubbishplayer]

You live in London and cancer services are the one thing actually operating sort of properly.

I can almost guarantee I've had more serious run ins with the NHS than most people my age and haven't had complaints. But that is a very different matter to whether or not general non life threatening care is functioning. I legit waited 4 years on an operation to prevent me being crippled. Adult ADHD services in parts of the country have 10 year waits, that's not an exaggeration. Gender clinics are over 6 years in some places.

And again, this is not a result of austerity. This is a policy of treating as few patients as possible.

Like I said, I don't disagree that the NHS has seen better days. And I'm genuinely sorry you've had the experience you've had.

But knowing as many people as I do do across the NHS, from frontline workers to senior execs, I can tell you that your conclusion is way off base. Part of the reason so many doctors are leaving the NHS is burn-out from trying to make up for underfunding. Your view that austerity has nothing to do with that, or the fact that junior doctors are on £14 ph is, at best, ill-informed.

 

[Moongrum]

Yeah "war" eh but contextually I interpreted it as carrying a gun during obligations arising from military service. He said carried, didn't say he was shooting or getting shot at. The overarching point of the quote wasn't really to flex combat experience, it was to say he was familiar with the weapons as a vet (just as much as someone like Vance) and it doesn't mesh with civilian settings.

Right, more than anything I feel like Trump/Vance are getting what they want by us (rather me, i brought it up) even discussing dumb minutia like this

 

[StevenC]

Like I said, I don't disagree that the NHS has seen better days. And I'm genuinely sorry you've had the experience you've had.

But knowing as many people as I do do across the NHS, from frontline workers to senior execs, I can tell you that your conclusion is way off base. Part of the reason so many doctors are leaving the NHS is burn-out from trying to make up for underfunding. Your view that austerity has nothing to do with that, or the fact that junior doctors are on £14 ph is, at best, ill-informed.

I didn't say that that though.

I said that the Tories were taking steps to remove public healthcare options.

Austerity is ALSO a issue. But I was taking issue with you saying that right wing governments in the UK wouldn't abolish free healthcare, and it factually has been for lots of people as a matter of intentionally not providing services (waitlists designed for people not to see the end), which is a separate thing to austerity.

Because austerity and not paying staff and offering better wages to agencies to fill shifts with staff that already work on the same wards and working junior doctors to death and raising university fees and tax structures that cause older doctors to retire early and on and on and on and...