MikeH
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I'll be leaving now. Bye!
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Oh and for the record... I couldn't care less about gun control for the reasons stated earlier in the thread. Taking them away won't help as those with the intent to use to to do harm will acquire them by the necessary means. And if they couldn't there'd be a new "most effective killer." What if he'd chosen explosives instead?
Allowing everyone to carry them doesn't guarantee that situations such as this would be handled any better either.
I think it's weird that folks will automatically jump to one of two extremes when something traumatic happens. There has to be an end all solution. I don't think one exists.
Personally I'd like to live in a world where people would be vigilant of those close to them and be mindful of possible red flags for things of this nature. Obviously you can't always know, but I feel like some ppl are obvious ticking time bombs. When we see this sort of thing as a possibility it'd be nice if we all cared enough about one another to point it out and try to get help for those with mental illnesses that drive them to do these sorts of things.
But I guess that sounds like hippy talk to some. Not immediately effective and so on...![]()
No shit guns are the most efficient thing to slaughter children and everything else.
We get it. Gun>Judo chop. Thanks for that.
It doesn't mean that's what they're all going to be used for.
Banning guns for all law abiding citizens because of these tragedies isn't going to stop them.
Why the fuck are guns still the point?You clearly can't imagine a culture where people don't want to own guns, where there aren't guns to own, and as a result there aren't mass murders of this nature. It's about changing perceptions through small changes with time. You don't sound like a hippy at all, you just sound as if you believe that people have qualities they just don't have, that they have proven not to have all throughout history. You are suggesting a culture where every mass-murder is flukily avoided at the last minute by some person being in the right place at the right time, when the answer is putting a system in place where the mass-murder isn't possible in the first place because there's no access to the tools to carry it out.
Why the fuck are guns still the point?
I get that that's what carried this out and I get that they're effective killers; you can kill many people at once. But it's the evil people harbor in their hearts that leads to shit like this regardless of the tool chosen.
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Wtf?
As a whole we are a pathetic excuse for a species.
Okay...
tell that to people like Jim Jones and Tim McVeigh. Evil is evil regardless of how its spread.It takes evil, and a gun. It's not an either/or, it's both.
tell that to people like Jim Jones and Tim McVeigh. Evil is evil regardless of how its spread.
I'm not having mockery, I'm trying to have a debate. If you're an awful person and you want to kill as many people as possible, what's the most realistic plan you can have to do so? One that people do again and again? They get a gun, or guns, and they fire on people. That is the pattern of the last ten years of mass murders in the US.
Well it's good to know you've thought it all out man.
A box cutter at a packed concert is a tried and true method too.
Cuts so good people barely feel it eviscerate them I'm told.![]()
see this is actually a really good point. if us clear minded individuals can think of really simple ways of mass hurting/killing people without a gun, imagine what an unstable person can think up.Well it's good to know you've thought it all out man.
A box cutter at a packed concert is a tried and true method too.
Cuts so good people barely feel it eviscerate them I'm told.![]()
I'm not having mockery, I'm trying to have a debate. If you're an awful person and you want to kill as many people as possible, what's the most realistic plan you can have to do so? One that people do again and again? They get a gun, or guns, and they fire on people. That is the pattern of the last ten years of mass murders in the US.
see this is actually a really good point. if us clear minded individuals can think of really simple ways of mass hurting/killing people without a gun, imagine what an unstable person can think up.
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No firearms here. As others have stated, if you have strong intent, you will find the means necessary to execute the task.
On all of this bullshit arguing, let's see who can kill a large group of people quicker: Me in a full size pickup truck, or you with a handgun. In that case, we need more strict driving laws.These comparisons are ridiculous. This is why, other than the obvious tragedy, when something like this happens, I just hide my head and try to avoid the nonsense bickering in which everyone thinks they have the right answer to avoid any and all similar situations. 20 children died today, and all we can do is argue about who can kill how many with what more efficiently. Sickening.
Oh and for the record... I couldn't care less about gun control for the reasons stated earlier in the thread. Taking them away won't help as those with the intent to use to to do harm will acquire them by the necessary means. And if they couldn't there'd be a new "most effective killer." What if he'd chosen explosives instead?
Allowing everyone to carry them doesn't guarantee that situations such as this would be handled any better either.
I think it's weird that folks will automatically jump to one of two extremes when something traumatic happens. There has to be an end all solution. I don't think one exists.
Personally I'd like to live in a world where people would be vigilant of those close to them and be mindful of possible red flags for things of this nature. Obviously you can't always know, but I feel like some ppl are obvious ticking time bombs. When we see this sort of thing as a possibility it'd be nice if we all cared enough about one another to point it out and try to get help for those with mental illnesses that drive them to do these sorts of things.
But I guess that sounds like hippy talk to some. Not immediately effective and so on...![]()
Where i went to school there was atleast 2-4 armed security in every school in the city, notably at my high school one in every corner of the building.They were also quite strict on who they let in and why. I think this practice really needs to start becoming routine everywhere, and we never even had a threat of a shooting ever occur, just prepared.
No shit guns are the most efficient thing to slaughter children and everything else.
We get it. Gun>Judo chop. Thanks for that.
It doesn't mean that's what they're all going to be used for.
Banning guns for all law abiding citizens because of these tragedies isn't going to stop them.
I think these people committing(sp?) mass murder with firearms would probably make a bomb if they didn't have access to guns.