hairychris
Hairy Old Bloke
Are you enjoying today's political car-crash?
Any Brits here?
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Drew
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Their government is basically falling apart over the Brexit negotiations - the latest casualty was Boris Johnson, who led the Brexit campaign and quit because May wasn't going far enough, in his opinion.
Sure it isn't too late to just hold a second referendum and decide that the whole thing was a mistake? I'm honestly a little shocked Corbyn hasn't had the nerve to call for that.
Sure it isn't too late to just hold a second referendum and decide that the whole thing was a mistake? I'm honestly a little shocked Corbyn hasn't had the nerve to call for that.
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hairychris
Hairy Old Bloke
This is after the cabinet meeting on Friday agreed things. Davis quit, Johnson likely only did because of that and if he sticks around his career would be more sunk.
Note: the only thing that these people care about are themselves, Johnson being by far the worst in that respect.
Note 2: It's 99.9% certain that whatever was agreed on Friday will be shot down by the EU anyway. Our ministers have absolutely no contact with reality, although today's resignations seem to imply that they're finally twigging.
Hahahaha no. Corbyn is ideologically anti-EU. He'd happily see Brexit happen especially if his name is not attached to the disaster that will happen* if it goes ahead. He's dreaming of a socialist paradise, but the absolute opposite will happen. He absolutely lost me politically over Europe.
Point: referendums in UK law are only advisory unless specified otherwise. The last one was advisory. There is no legal reason for a government to follow an advisory referendum, although politically is another question.
It's interesting to note that the UK political system is not designed for referendums. The vague question on the exit referendum also didn't help... It asked whether to leave EU but didn't mention CM, customs union, or anything else.
EDIT: * Leaving the EU is a 10-year plus task as there is so much that needs to be unwound, and so many things needing to be set up in the UK incl regulatory bodies and infrastructure. The govt, supposedly staffed by "leavers" has done absolutely nothing to get this underway. Davis's department hadn't even done impact assessments on the UK economy. Well, they did... supposedly... but I had a look at the IT one (being an IT person) and it was total garbage.
We are so screwed.
EDIT 2: A lot of the posturing from the UK pols is towards our right-wing press. Taken in this light a lot is explained...
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Drew
Forum MVP
Point #1 - I'm sorry, I apologize, I don't think I made it nearly as clear as I should have how much of an absolute worthless tool Boris is.
Point #2 - you're obviously up on Corbyn's politics more than I as an American am, but I recall there was some speculation that he might actually have the balls to do it and he hemmed and hawed a bit before coming out in favor of not holding a second referendum. On one hand, yeah, on paper you'd expect him to be more in favor of Brexit than not, but on the other, a second chance at averting Brexit looks like it may actually be a winning political position, and considering Corbyn is a politician, after all, I kinda thought he might roll the dice.
hairychris
Hairy Old Bloke
Point #1 - I'm sorry, I apologize, I don't think I made it nearly as clear as I should have how much of an absolute worthless tool Boris is.
Haha!
Ugh.
Corbyn is an old-school leftie who, unfortunately, is still stuck in the 80s politically. He was pretty much a constant rebel, and through an impressive grass-roots campaign got to be leader of Labour.
There are, however, problems with him:
> He has some really dubious friends, and has a history of pro-USSR (as was) and pro-terrorist (anti-imperialist ones) ties. I'm meh on this but it leaves a bad taste for a lot of people.
> He's ideologically inflexible. This isn't helpful, and reminds me more of Student Union "purity above all" politics as opposed to getting anything practical done.
> His own party doesn't fully support him, especially over Brexit.
> There's been a depressing reappearance of left-wing anti-semitism (traditional anti-Israel/pro-Palestine from left, sure, but a lot of more general problems and Labour leadership not stamping on it). Yeah, the right are more racist but this is still not great.
What's ironic is that he got to become Labour leader by appealing to a young audience. The same audience that is hugely pro-EU. I dread to think what will happen when he sells these people down the line on the EU.
None of this is doing my depression & anxiety any good. Been a tough couple of years for someone who's a lefty but very pro-Europe.
StevenC
Needs a hobby
I hope Brexit fails so Northern Ireland can continue struggling along on what little economy we have.
hairychris
Hairy Old Bloke
Many moons ago I went out with a girl from Norn Iron. It was quite eye-opening on several fronts!
Anquished
hhnice!
Yep. Sat back with some popcorn.
BenjaminW
Well-Known Member
Can he save the UK from the horrors of evil capitalism?
Brexit is a total shit-show, it should have never been a thing. The vote SHOULD have been in favour of staying in the EU and that would have been the end of it, but some hard-right Tories shouted up and down, outright lied and swayed enough stupid idiots to believe them. There is absolutely NO situation in which the UK is actually better off leaving the EU.
I'm glad Boris Johnston has resigned, the man is a complete and utter fucking pillock. SMH.
I'm glad Boris Johnston has resigned, the man is a complete and utter fucking pillock. SMH.
hairychris
Hairy Old Bloke
Nope.
Him supporting Brexit is more likely to turn the UK into a crappy tax haven instead of a socialist paradise. He has no clue.
BenjaminW
Well-Known Member
Different response than what I'd anticipated...
Unionist or Loyalist front?
Brexit great, really. A PM has a national vote to settle a dispute in his own party, ends up ruining it for everyone.
I'm from a Scottish town that has been seriously hampered by the common fisheries policy, but i think folk are delusional if they believe that being out of EU will somehow improve their lot.
To cap it all, there's been protests about some golf club owner coming to the UK.
StevenC
Needs a hobby
Judean People's Front or the People's Front of Judea?
StevenC
Needs a hobby
Second referendum please.
Anquished
hhnice!
I'd be interested to see how different a second referendum result would be. I'm sure I saw some polls somewhere that indicated many Leave voters regretted their decision.
vote till you get the result politicians want. educate the voter. referendum on a referendum. true democracy.
