Any Brits here?

[Drew]

Sounds like May may be opening the door to a second referendum or a parliamentary vote on revoking their prior Article 50 declaration?

 

[astrocreep]

All so crazy and depressing.

 

[777timesgod]

I am not a Brit or a supporter of the Brexit or Bremain camps. However, it does show the bias of the EU towards a stronger country (than say Greece during the Grexit possibility or my own). If we tried something like this we would be buried alive, after being politically skewered from every member. All of our leaders are talking out of the side of their mouth on the matter.
Britain has been scheming and manipulating from the inside of the EU ever since it entered (out of necessity as it was left out and was no longer a colonial force + the U.S.A. needed their most loyal ally inside) and now that they are on the way out, they get extensions and negotiations... Not to mention that the British pound is still stronger than the Euro, despite all of this mess! 1 to 1.15 of the Euro, after so many organizations/businesses left for Frankfurt and Paris, seriously?
This should calm some of the British people here, your country is too strong and has a massive position in global politics to collapse. Not to mention its alliances outside the EU, which will chip in as soon as you are out. Yes, your position will suffer and the economy will take a hit but then again you get to do what you want. I do not know if the positives will be more than the negatives or vice-versa, we need to see where the negotiation will lead.
I think Cameron wanted the UK to exit, the upper echelons of your leaders (right and left leaning) realised that they are playing third fiddle to Germany and France within the EU. As the EU extents its control over the members, the UK had a choice to be absorbed/change or protest/leave.
Eventually they could not deal with it, which is understandable if you consider that the UK was an empire in the beginning of the last century and now is supposed to be a member of a Union of countries. If you think that only leaders such as Putin and Erdogan dream of empire like countries, look a little closer to home.
Just my 2 cents, I study politics everyday but I never posted something and thought why not. Let me know your opinions, thanks.

 

[Demiurge]

^Interesting point since it seems that one of the narratives is that anyone trying to leave the EU will made an example. At the same time, the consequences are severe because they don't want anyone to leave. There's perhaps the fine line that it being walked with Britain where, being a bigger member, they're going to get as many chances to change their mind but still in-line for a walloping if they don't.

 

[_MonSTeR_]

Well, now we know what MPs don’t want... no idea what they’re prepared to agree they do want...

 

[Drew]

Well, now we know what MPs don’t want... no idea what they’re prepared to agree they do want...

It's looking more like May might get her deal approved on the 3rd try. Her opponents evidently were starting to realize that they were approaching a point where either they voted for her bill, or there was going to be no Brexit. Then she made her commitment to step down once Brexit occurred, which was another strong enticement for her opponents. Whether that's enough to get her over the line...

 

[777timesgod]

^Interesting point since it seems that one of the narratives is that anyone trying to leave the EU will made an example. At the same time, the consequences are severe because they don't want anyone to leave. There's perhaps the fine line that it being walked with Britain where, being a bigger member, they're going to get as many chances to change their mind but still in-line for a walloping if they don't.

The consensus for Greece was "Just leave, we do not care", which was particularly insulting, given what that country has been through and its location next to countries not exactly known for being democratic (not talking about Italy but Salvini is taking them towards a hard-line side) but still having ties with the hypocritical EU commission (nobody cares about the parliament which gives decisions on the smaller matters, the big ones are handled by the real people in charge). This was detrimental on several aspects of running a country and while Greeks have made a million mistakes, they had a rough selection of cards given to them.

England will be punished for leaving the EU but it is clear that a relationship is still wanted. The phrase "too big to fail" comes to mind. Pressure by the US is ongoing but Germany/France/Brussels want to show some grit before settling.

The immigration argument by the Tories is laughable on one side, Greece's record is 1.5 million immigrants in a year but only the official number, the real one may be two or more, from 2015. In my own country, we hold the European record for immigration arrivals/asylum requests to population (we are a small country, which is also occupied so take that into a account) being close to Syria. We were given 30 million Euro by the EU for the decade and told to hang in there.
On the other side, they are not 100% wrong as the terrorist attacks by Islamic lone wolves has gone up and also the pressure of the lower and middle classes by the job market being saturated in some sectors and unemployment rising. No side in the Brexit/Bremain argument is entirely wrong or entirely right as there are so many factors.

The EU is definitely going to a dark place, not just by the rise of the far right but also the utter disregard of the capitalist right and the socialist left for the citizens' concerns over many matters. They still have their bureaucratic lackeys write articles in the media telling us how great they are and refuse to acknowledge that they fucked up big time on some many matters. There is outrage which must be dealt with but no real leaders in our era. Shame, as the EU had potential before it was overrun by pompous people who needed titles and positions.

 

[ImNotAhab]

Third smackdown in a row for the leave deal...

I will let the Irish Simpson Memes page sum it up:

 

[Demiurge]

What, so May's offer to resign wasn't enough to sweeten the deal?

 

[Drew]

So it seems.

So.... Hard Brexit, or revoke Article 50? I'm hoping for the latter, but I have no clue here.

 

[_MonSTeR_]

I’m hoping for revoke Article
50 as well or at least a couple of years postponement and another referendum. Hopefully that’ll give the government time to work out how to leave and bt then enough coffin dodging right wing extremists will have expired so that we can have a remain verdict.

 

[StevenC]

Excellent! 6 months of peace and quiet before two weeks of crisis.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47889404

 

[Drew]

Hey, this increases the odds you guys stick around in the EU. I'm cool with that.

May's recent thing about maybe making progress with Labour on a single customs union is sort of dumbfounding - a duty-free free trade customs union with the EU, but keeping the UK's sovereignty to make their own trade deals on their own terms? That's contradictory.

 

[777timesgod]

Excellent! 6 months of peace and quiet before two weeks of crisis. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47889404

6 months of peace... No way, get ready for even more mayhem in the English parliament. Already the Brexit wing of the Tories is furious over the extension. Basically, it pushes Brexit half a year away and with it the resignation that May proposed.

Hey, this increases the odds you guys stick around in the EU. I'm cool with that.

May's recent thing about maybe making progress with Labour on a single customs union is sort of dumbfounding - a duty-free free trade customs union with the EU, but keeping the UK's sovereignty to make their own trade deals on their own terms? That's contradictory.

Not dumbfounding at all, its basic UK policy and they have been following it since joining the EU in 1973 (despite Charles De Gaulle trying to stop it twice before). Accept all the positives of EU and decline any responsibilities or undermine any policy that the EU parliament tries to push, which does not serve 100% the UK interests. Unethical, yes but this is how serious countries do business.
Interestingly, there was a referendum in 1975 on whether they should stay in the EEC (European Economic Community - does not exist today) and they voted in favor of staying.

 

[Ralyks]

Sooooo is Brexit still a thing now that Theresa May resigned?

 

[Yul Brynner]

Yeah what's the deal? Is brexit all done or what?

 

[StevenC]

Not yet. May was a remainder to begin with and she was just heading her party through the Brexit process. So now there will be a new Tory leader who will become PM and they'll either continue with Brexit or not. They most likely will continue with it, at least until it becomes abundantly clear that there won't be a better deal than what May had. A lot of Brexiteers believe that May mishandled negotiations and that's why she got such a "bad" deal. Nothing to do with it being a stupid idea to begin with.

 

[Yul Brynner]

Torries are the republicans of the UK right?

 

[StevenC]

Torries are the republicans of the UK right?

They're more like your Dems, but they want to privatise everything. But yeah, they're our "right wing" party.

 

[Yul Brynner]

They're more like your Dems, but they want to privatise everything. But yeah, they're our "right wing" party.

Yeah I thought they were the right wing conservatives. At least that's what the vicar of Dibley led me to believe...