LordThurisaz
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Sorry to burst your bubble, bulb, but with my set-thrus, they have more sustain, and don't do that.
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wannabguitarist
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Yea let's fight about it 
There was a study done a while back that compared all the different neck construction techniques with otherwise identical guitars and bolt-on actually has the most sustain, followed by set-neck, with neck-through in last. The interesting thing was that the difference between the three is so small that you wouldn't really be able to tell.
Bolt-ons just get a bad rap from being on dirt cheap starter guitars with loose fitting neck-joints and other poor construction problems, and that going flat thing your talking about is called "bending the neck" by some people. Doesn't have anything to to with the joint.
Now the three construction methods do sound different and everyone has their own tone preferences so it's hard to say one is truly better (or worth more) than another
There was a study done a while back that compared all the different neck construction techniques with otherwise identical guitars and bolt-on actually has the most sustain, followed by set-neck, with neck-through in last. The interesting thing was that the difference between the three is so small that you wouldn't really be able to tell.
Bolt-ons just get a bad rap from being on dirt cheap starter guitars with loose fitting neck-joints and other poor construction problems, and that going flat thing your talking about is called "bending the neck" by some people. Doesn't have anything to to with the joint.
Now the three construction methods do sound different and everyone has their own tone preferences so it's hard to say one is truly better (or worth more) than another
Cheesebuiscut
Loves his Q-tuners
Whatever you say, irregardless YOU may not like bolt ons but its a solid method that plenty of people will back up.
Nothing wrong with bolt on.
I've seen this debate 1,000 times over on harmony central and it's not really worth the effort. Some people have their preference, but in terms of tone/sustain, etc, they're all the same (bolt/thru/set). Neck thrus are probably the most comfortable. Bolt ons are the easiest to fix, modify, whatever. Set necks are somewhere inbetween. Ultimately it's just semantics.
LordThurisaz
Banned
I'll submit only to toolsound's comments about "it's just semantics". You prefer peanut butter [or bolt on in this case], and I prefer chocolate [set necks]. C'est la vie.
hairychris
Hairy Old Bloke
Doug only has a limited number of styles available - he's not a full-custom shop. His approach is that you're into what he does, or you aren't.
People have preference over neck joints. All have their advantages and disadvantages... for instance Doug/Blackmachine and PRS - for instance - don't do thru purely for tonal reasons (the neck wood tends to dominate thru neck's tones).
Best neck joint for access I've played is Carvin's thru on their 6 strings. It's ridiculously good for upper access. However I don't spend much time up the neck so this isn't an issue for me. Blackmachine is at least as good as Ibanez AANJ on a 7.
hufschmid
Banned
This is starting to become tiring....
Its all about personal preferences, the day your guitar falls or has a smash at a gig when your performing live or for any other reason it may be damaged during the transport, you will be very happy to have a bolt on neck, because you will be able to have it fixed in no time. This is the reason why I personaly build bolt on necks because I like reversability....
Its got nothing to do with sound, its purely cosmetical, there is no best sounding or best building technique, its about what you like as a player....
And how can you state that your set - thrus as you call them have more sustain? This make no sens at all, for this you would need to have perfect clones to compare....
Uh, i have had Thru necks, i own three set necks, and a bunch of bolt ons, and they ALL go flat when you turn them upside down or shake them or whatever.
Bolt/set/through argument = dumb
Bolt/set/through argument = dumb
How would you know if you have nothing to play them through?
AgileLefty
hates brand snobs
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and i'm sure Bulb is all upset now cause this child bursted his bubble
and i'm sure Bulb is all upset now cause this child bursted his bubble
MF_Kitten
Set up us the bomb
you know, my guitar bends out of tune if i lean it forward... because the floating tremolo is affected by friggin´ gravity. are you sure that´s not the case on your guitar as well? that it´s just the trem?
i´ve never encountered this problem on any non-tremmed guitar, but i have encountered it on ALL floating trem guitars...
and it´s your opinion against all the people who love these things to death, and most of them know their shit when it comes to high-end guitars. some people here even make them for a living, and have been taught at the best guitar building schools.
i´ve never encountered this problem on any non-tremmed guitar, but i have encountered it on ALL floating trem guitars...
and it´s your opinion against all the people who love these things to death, and most of them know their shit when it comes to high-end guitars. some people here even make them for a living, and have been taught at the best guitar building schools.
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Don't mind him. He just goes thread to thread spreading douche baggery around ss.org.
Also, worth mentioning is that these guitars are actually CHEAPER than a lot of higher end production guitars if you're from the UK. They're different markets, and because the exchange rate of USD vs GBP is absolute shit doesn't mean these are over priced.
Also, worth mentioning is that these guitars are actually CHEAPER than a lot of higher end production guitars if you're from the UK. They're different markets, and because the exchange rate of USD vs GBP is absolute shit doesn't mean these are over priced.
masterblaster
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If only I could work in the UK!!! Black Machine and Hufschmids are awesome!
JJ Rodriguez
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Fuck that, I'd rather be able to get everything else at non ass raping prices than have a few companies that are a bit more affordable It's cheaper for us in the long run to buy a Blackmachine at $5000+ US and buy all our other gear here than if we lived over there
It's cheaper for us in the long run to buy a Blackmachine at $5000+ US and buy all our other gear here than if we lived over there hairychris
Hairy Old Bloke
Fuck that, I'd rather be able to get everything else at non ass raping prices than have a few companies that are a bit more affordable
Haha, tell us about it!
Seriously, why are you even here?
caughtinamosh
SS.org-er
To pick fights, obviously.
I'm with you, dude. Lordwhatever-your-name-is, I have a feeling that you won't last much longer on this forum if your behaviour doesn't change.
Fine by me.
Keep fighting with us so we won't have to listen to you much longer.
Keep fighting with us so we won't have to listen to you much longer.
Sepultorture
Murder Machine
look at Mesa prices over there, NO FUCKING THANK YOU
i agree highly with this, i would keep my neckthru's at home for studio recording and local shows and jams, the bolt on's are what i'd take on tour, cus god knows i'm not endorsed for that shit
i agree highly with this, i would keep my neckthru's at home for studio recording and local shows and jams, the bolt on's are what i'd take on tour, cus god knows i'm not endorsed for that shit
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