icedogs41
Member
Which one would you guys reccomend for music in the metalcore/deathcore area?
Bugera 6262 or Bugera 333XL?
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jaretthale78
7 stringed playa
axe fx
JK, 333xl all the way
JK, 333xl all the way
icedogs41
Member
Why would you say the 333xl? Do you have any info on the sound difference between the two?
Cheesebuiscut
Loves his Q-tuners
The 6262 is modeled after a 6505+ and the 333xl is modeled after a jsx.
They'll both do what you need them to, personally I like the 333xl more because of the built in noise gate / extra channel / versatility. But I have really limited experience with either so take what I say with a grain of salt.
if you plan to get the 6262 new I would just opt to look for a used 6505.
They'll both do what you need them to, personally I like the 333xl more because of the built in noise gate / extra channel / versatility. But I have really limited experience with either so take what I say with a grain of salt.
if you plan to get the 6262 new I would just opt to look for a used 6505.
Metal_Late
Well-Known Member
I own 333xl and have tested 6260 (different i know).
To me 6260 sounded weaker and had more noise going on.
I changed all tubes to Tungsol 12AX7 and Svetlana Winged C El34 and now it has great response with sound and allmost no noise comparing Peavey valveking, xxl, ENGL Thunder and Randall RH1503G heads.
And your every guitar is going to sound different.
My experiences
To me 6260 sounded weaker and had more noise going on.
I changed all tubes to Tungsol 12AX7 and Svetlana Winged C El34 and now it has great response with sound and allmost no noise comparing Peavey valveking, xxl, ENGL Thunder and Randall RH1503G heads.
And your every guitar is going to sound different.
My experiences
Arterial
Dreamer
They say the 333XL is highly versatile..
I own a bugera 333. I've played 6505s, 5150s, ive seen jsxs live and heard 6262s all with my own ears. Bugera fucking suck, buy a second hand peavey 6505 or 5150 head, and get a half decent cab. Even if you have to wait longer to save, it really IS worth it.
If you MUST get a bugera, do NOT get a 333. they are absolute SHIT for deathcore.
If you MUST get a bugera, do NOT get a 333. they are absolute SHIT for deathcore.
snuif09
Well-Known Member
can you rdescribe why they suck? this post seems very fanboyish and useless to me.
the 6262 sounds almost identical to a 5150II wich pretty much is the standard in deathcore
jaretthale78
7 stringed playa
bro, did u even bother to change the tubes in the 333?
Why? They're tight, have tone of gain on tap, and have an effective tone stack. Just like a JSX. With an OD out front to boost, I know JSX's can get super aggro.
Like has been mentioned, replace them stock tubes.
I have to disagree with this. While I haven't played the 333, I did test out a couple of 6262's while I was amp shopping and I felt they copied the 6505 pretty well. The only reason I decided to go with the Peavey was for reliability issues that Bugera has supposedly fixed. If you have the money for a Peavey then that gets my vote but from a tone standpoint, there's nothing wrong with the Bugera's I've played at all.
JPhoenix19
Playing life by ear
Sorry, had to say it.
You might try searching, as this has been discussed before.
If you're in the US, it makes more sense to choose between a used JSX or 5150II/6505+ rather than a bugera.
Honestly my two main beefs with the 333 are
EQ: The bass/mid/treble on the lead and rhythm channel are horrible to work with, and the mids are impossible to dial in without having to completely re-EQ the whole channel
Gain: 0-4 sounds too weak, 4-6 just sounds bad, and 6-10 is just all fizz
Noise: IT JUST DOESNT STOP SQUEALING even with a noise suppressor on max
Basicly its the best new amp for hard rock/thrashy metal stuff you can get for its price.
But if you dont care about versatility, dont care about anything except a good deathcore rhythm tone for a similar price, get a 5150 or a 6505. Trust me, I've had a bunch of trouble trying to get a good deathcore tone out of this 333 and I've come to the conclusion that you cant.
HOWEVER
6262's and 6260's are miles ahead of 333s for this kind of tone. But I would much rather spend my hard earned cash on something i KNOW will sound good (5150/6505) second hand, rather than make the mistake of going for a chance with something inferior just because its a copy, and comes new.
EDIT: That 'dissonant' palm muted chord (i call them 'juns') that deathcore revolves around
(say your in drop A on a 6 for this one)
b---
f#---
d---
a---
e-2-
a-1-
sounds totally shithouse through this amp
any dissonant riffage just isnt handled by it all, the bottom end just completely flops out
and an amp should sound good new, before you need to replace any tubes
EQ: The bass/mid/treble on the lead and rhythm channel are horrible to work with, and the mids are impossible to dial in without having to completely re-EQ the whole channel
Gain: 0-4 sounds too weak, 4-6 just sounds bad, and 6-10 is just all fizz
Noise: IT JUST DOESNT STOP SQUEALING even with a noise suppressor on max
Basicly its the best new amp for hard rock/thrashy metal stuff you can get for its price.
But if you dont care about versatility, dont care about anything except a good deathcore rhythm tone for a similar price, get a 5150 or a 6505. Trust me, I've had a bunch of trouble trying to get a good deathcore tone out of this 333 and I've come to the conclusion that you cant.
HOWEVER
6262's and 6260's are miles ahead of 333s for this kind of tone. But I would much rather spend my hard earned cash on something i KNOW will sound good (5150/6505) second hand, rather than make the mistake of going for a chance with something inferior just because its a copy, and comes new.
EDIT: That 'dissonant' palm muted chord (i call them 'juns') that deathcore revolves around
(say your in drop A on a 6 for this one)
b---
f#---
d---
a---
e-2-
a-1-
sounds totally shithouse through this amp
any dissonant riffage just isnt handled by it all, the bottom end just completely flops out
and an amp should sound good new, before you need to replace any tubes
Which begs the question, did you swap the shitty (yeah, they really are) stock tubes with some quality replacements? From the sounds if both the gain and noise issues can be solved via a tube swap.
As for the EQ, while a tube swap could help with this situation, I've played $2500+ amps that have finicky EQ. Rectos anyone?
As for:
I fucking HATED my 5150, my Recto, my V3, and my........ well just about every amp I've owned I needed to swap the tubes on. Even when purchased band new. It's the name of the game when it comes to tube amps.
Also Peavey isn't exactly know for putting the best tubes in their amps when they ship them.
Cheesebuiscut
Loves his Q-tuners
Yeah isn't that kind of the point? quality amp + shitty tubes = keep prices down so you can switch the tubes to whatever fit your taste.
No different than say oh... pickups... strings...
Cody has unreasonable expectations.
Opeth666
Well-Known Member
id say get the 333xl they are amazing amps, ive played two and a 6260 as well, one I played at the shop with the stock tubes and the other 333 i played was at my buddies house who swapped in some new tungsol 12ax7s and JJ El34s and that thing is an absolute monster! to save on money id get the 333xl and since they have fixed the reliability issues its a sure win man.
my friend also has a 6260 with JJ EL34s and it sounds EXACTLY like my old 5150.
go for it my friend just use the extra money left over to do a tube swap.
my friend also has a 6260 with JJ EL34s and it sounds EXACTLY like my old 5150.
go for it my friend just use the extra money left over to do a tube swap.
My 3120 had 3 JJ ECC83S's and a Sovtek LPS in the pre, and JJ EL34s in the power amp stock.....
Not very shitty for Peavey. My 3120 had 3 JJ ECC83S's and a Sovtek LPS in the pre, and JJ EL34s in the power amp stock.....
Maybe that's changed. I haven't bought a new Peavey in years.
I know just about everyone I know, including myself, had to swap the tubes in their 5150 and 5150 IIs when they got them. The stock tubes weren't shit by any means, though, I never said they were.
My main point is stock tubes don't always equal best tubes.
PirateMetalTroy
The Tooth Fairy
the JSX comes stock with JJ 12ax7's AND JJ el34's.
EDIT: Used to come with them...it is now discontinued.
EDIT: Used to come with them...it is now discontinued.
