Banana Wedgie
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What do Dean haters here think of DBZ guitars?
What do Dean haters here think of DBZ guitars?
Dean Guitars - Why all the hate?
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This isn't even relevant, but...
What do Dean haters here think of DBZ guitars?
I think they're absolutely fucking hideous. I mean to each his own, and they seem to be quality, but I can't look at them for too long without my stomach starting to hurt and my gag reflex to start twitching.
I've seen some REALLLLY fugly guitars in my days and the DBZ line-up is just about some of the worst as far as non-novelty, production guitars go.
I will say though, that I applaud them for taking the high road and not making all carbon copies of other designs, like 90% of makers out there.
Banana Wedgie
Bored 13 year old
I agree - with most of their stuff - but I did like the look of the Cavalos and Mondials.
Some of them aren't too bad, then again the Cavallo is a pretty straight forward V and the Mondial is just the Dean Hardtail PRS-type shape. In fact the Imperial isn't too bad either.
Actually, just looking at their site again, and it seems a lot of the models I really didn't like have "gone missing". I guess they got the hint.
M3CHK1LLA
angel sword guardian
dbz??? i though you meant dragon ball z
i actually saw some of these on ebay a few months ago but was not sure about them - the do look well built. here is the link if anyone cares to see the collection so far:
DBZ Guitars Collection including boutique guitar models to guitars for beginners
also notice the head stocks arent as massive...someone was listening
i actually saw some of these on ebay a few months ago but was not sure about them - the do look well built. here is the link if anyone cares to see the collection so far:
DBZ Guitars Collection including boutique guitar models to guitars for beginners
also notice the head stocks arent as massive...someone was listening
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This isn't even relevant, but...
What do Dean haters here think of DBZ guitars?
They looks nice enough, wouldn't mind trying one.
Uh, in the mid-range ($600-$1000) where most of the Dean imports live, the Jacksons kick the shit out of them, as does what Schecter has in that range. That said, in that range they're not particularly bad, although their lows tend to be lower than the other "big names", in my experience.
Anything sub-$400 is a crap shoot, anyway. At that price, the Agiles are probably the *best* of what I've played.
damigu
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i couldn't agree more.
if it feels and sounds right, it doesn't matter what brand it is.
of my guitars, my favorite is a vintage dean, actually. i had never heard of dean when i bought it--i just picked it up due to the unique shape and it played excellently and i knew i had to have it.
i'm pretty sure you're right, combined with the dimebag thing.
during the 90's, when tropical music owned dean, the quality was extremely inconsistent. and they're still recovering from that bad reputation.
since armadillo bought them, they've improved quality greatly. the quality is currently on par with every other big brand of guitar. but the continued reputation biases people.
And, Mr. Zelinsky himself stepped away and now has his own rapidly growing company. When a company's founder and namesake decides to get uninvolved, that seems to say something iffy about the going-ons in my eyes. Ok enough
actually, zelinsky hasn't been an owner of dean since the late 80's. the current owner, elliott rubinson, is just nice and dedicated enough to the brand that he brought zelinsky back into the fold as a sort of creative/design head.
but zelinsky himself is a total flake. he didn't "decide to get uninvolved"--it was a mutual decision between dean guitars and zelinsky that he needs to GTFO because the company was getting increasingly unhappy with his behavior and attitude.
M3CHK1LLA
angel sword guardian
this is pretty intresting....where did you get the info? link? i'd like to read more about it. do you know where he stood on the whole dime thing?
damigu
stay tuned
i'm on the dean forum and that shit was all they were talking about when it went down.
soliloquy
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zelenski claims that the reason he left dean the second time around is due to what people were doing to HIS guitars. he left dean in the 80's coz he was getting annoyed by the hair metal super strats with floyds on them. he left in the 2000's coz apparently to him the QC was failing and what he wanted wasn't happening.
but then again, zelenski, though a lot of people say is a great guy, he is known for bad mouthing the checz repulbic deans where many of their owners claim to be on par or superior to any other USA guitars...so go figure..
i generally agree with you for everything you say around the forum, except the agile part
the 200 for agile is actually worth about 400ish in retail for other brands.
so the rondo equal to the 200 dollar jackson/ibanez/schecter/dean would/may be the SX...
but then again, i've seen the SX and Valencia brands in guitar stores go for about 4-500 dollars, so go figure
i generally agree with you for everything you say around the forum, except the agile part
the 200 for agile is actually worth about 400ish in retail for other brands.
so the rondo equal to the 200 dollar jackson/ibanez/schecter/dean would/may be the SX...
but then again, i've seen the SX and Valencia brands in guitar stores go for about 4-500 dollars, so go figure
Considering the many Agiles with uneven frets, marks on the fretboard from improper filing, defects in the wood, and various finish flaws I'd say, while they are a better value compared to some brands, they do produce their fair share of lemons. Not to mention the dozens of people who have received guitars with improper specs.
What I was saying was that at the price levels where the majority of these guitars are being offered ($500 - $1000) by various makers, there is still a chance of getting a lemon.
MorbidTravis
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well, i see a lot of people have had bad experiences with dean. However i have a razorback, rc7 and avalanche 7 and there is nothing wrong with them. They didnt come with warped necks, sounding like shit, or even "cheap peices" they may be cheap but none of my guitars feel cheap to me(except for the avalanche cuz it wasa $200 steal). Im thankful for what i have and dont cry about a guitar because it isnt good enough.
M3CHK1LLA
angel sword guardian
thats good to hear, cause i still plan on getting that mustaine v. like i said i had an older one in the past & it was good. wasnt sure about the newer stuff since i read alot of neg. things about them hear. hopefully when i post a ngd for it that only positive things will be said.
the whole dean / zelinski thing is crazy - i need to research this more. does anyone know why dime left washburn & went back to dean?
MorbidTravis
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i think washburn was bought out by dean, idk exactly but im probably wrong.
but ive played some of the mustaine v's in guitarcenter and they're pretty decent.
When there are a lot of negative feedback on a guitar company on a forum i ignore it and decide for myself, half of these people(our ss.org brothers and sisters) either havent played a dean in a while or got really unlucky, or just played a dean that some asshole fucked up in the store. which there are a lot of those....assholes screwing things up in stores.
so many guitars ive picked up missing the 9v battery or all the ibby's ive played missing the trem bar.
but ive played some of the mustaine v's in guitarcenter and they're pretty decent.
When there are a lot of negative feedback on a guitar company on a forum i ignore it and decide for myself, half of these people(our ss.org brothers and sisters) either havent played a dean in a while or got really unlucky, or just played a dean that some asshole fucked up in the store. which there are a lot of those....assholes screwing things up in stores.
so many guitars ive picked up missing the 9v battery or all the ibby's ive played missing the trem bar.
damigu
stay tuned
absolutely not. washburn is dean's biggest rival.
Yeah, Washburn is owned by a different company.
How are they each other's biggest rivals? I know they're competition in the industry, but do they have a history together?
damigu
stay tuned
both have a similar market share (dean has a little less). both also make their business by having a some outlandish shapes. and both have dimebag signature models.
neither are really so big that they compete with gibson/fender/ibanez, but they're both are lot bigger than brands like agile and turser.
soliloquy
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/\ well, i would say, if anything hamer and dean have a friendly rivalry.
washburn is just a USA company that brings lots of 'mehs' from everyone about their product. much like peavey. though they make amazing guitars, people look over them
if i'm not mistaken, dime left dean because dean ceased to exist, which caused the contract between dime/dean to end. and dime wanted a new guitar, but dean himself wasn't there, and the company was being sold through sears for 80 bucks a guitar, if that....
while dean was non-existant, dime tried out with Jackson but was rejected, BC RICH (via Kerry King) didn't reply, washburn did. so he went to washburn.
come 2000, dean was back up via armadello corp, and Dime was still loyal to dean, so he switched over.
but, i am often wrong, so i wont be surprised if i'm wrong again. MaxofMetal may know better
washburn is just a USA company that brings lots of 'mehs' from everyone about their product. much like peavey. though they make amazing guitars, people look over them
if i'm not mistaken, dime left dean because dean ceased to exist, which caused the contract between dime/dean to end. and dime wanted a new guitar, but dean himself wasn't there, and the company was being sold through sears for 80 bucks a guitar, if that....
while dean was non-existant, dime tried out with Jackson but was rejected, BC RICH (via Kerry King) didn't reply, washburn did. so he went to washburn.
come 2000, dean was back up via armadello corp, and Dime was still loyal to dean, so he switched over.
but, i am often wrong, so i wont be surprised if i'm wrong again. MaxofMetal may know better
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