Do Macs suck?
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i'm a PC linux user. the ONLY reason i ever have to reboot anymore is when i update my kernel. i once went 2 months without rebooting 
that being said, i used to think that windows was better than Mac, but then the Mac operating system went UNIX-ish. if i had to go Winblows or Mac, i'd go Mac.
that being said, i used to think that windows was better than Mac, but then the Mac operating system went UNIX-ish. if i had to go Winblows or Mac, i'd go Mac.
Ken
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Each has their pros and cons. I don't diss either one, because each plays an important role in this world. Apple thinks outside the box, and gives us cool ideas (wonder where the concept of a desktop came from? Yep, Macintosh.), and pc makes them affordable for the masses.
Mac has too much of an ego, so there won't be any way except the mac way.
Windows just tries to make things easier for the world, and it's comparable to leaving a key under your doormat. Yeah, you'll never get locked out, but every burglar is going to be looking under your 'mat.
Mac has too much of an ego, so there won't be any way except the mac way.
Windows just tries to make things easier for the world, and it's comparable to leaving a key under your doormat. Yeah, you'll never get locked out, but every burglar is going to be looking under your 'mat.
Ken Burtch said:
I actually think it was a Xerox operating system from the early 70s.
Just checked. It was.
"The Xerox Alto, developed at Xerox PARC in 1973, was the first personal computer and the first computer to use the desktop metaphor and graphical user interface (GUI)."
Ken
Forum MVP
Metal Ken said:
Did some research at about.com and found that Jobs was working on the L.I.S.A. project at Apple before he visited Xerox in '73 after buying stock. Also found an article that said the Apple LISA was the first personal computer to use a GUI. That's what I love about the Internet, the quality of the info...
The Dark Wolf
Contributor
I've read about this quite extensively, in some things I like to call books. 
Xerox PARC (That's Palo Alto Reseach Center to you n00bs) developed the first GUI, and the first mouse. Jobs got the ideas form visiting them in about '79.. The Xerox people basicaly told Jobs "Do what you want," since they didn't have a clue how to market their nifty inventions (the engineering folks weren't as sanguine about it, however.) LISA was born, but Jobs got tired of the beauracratic LISA project pretty quickly. The LISA retailed for about 10 grand, and it was the mainstay of Apple's hopes back round 82/83 or so, I guess it was, +/-. He saw this obscure little project at Apple HQ, namely the Mac, and jumped on board. Took alot of the good LISA ideas, and brought them over to Mac, which was far cheaper, and actually performed better in most ways. That's where he got that whole "Let's be Pirates!" shit, even going so far as to hang up the Jolly Roger over the Mac tream's workspace. Crazy shit, lol.
It wasn't '73 either, Ken. Apple wasn't even founded until '76.
I'm kinda an Apple history addict. Here's a good link about Apple history. (There';s some great books out there, BTW. Very fascinating reading.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Apple_Computer
Xerox PARC (That's Palo Alto Reseach Center to you n00bs) developed the first GUI, and the first mouse. Jobs got the ideas form visiting them in about '79.. The Xerox people basicaly told Jobs "Do what you want," since they didn't have a clue how to market their nifty inventions (the engineering folks weren't as sanguine about it, however.) LISA was born, but Jobs got tired of the beauracratic LISA project pretty quickly. The LISA retailed for about 10 grand, and it was the mainstay of Apple's hopes back round 82/83 or so, I guess it was, +/-. He saw this obscure little project at Apple HQ, namely the Mac, and jumped on board. Took alot of the good LISA ideas, and brought them over to Mac, which was far cheaper, and actually performed better in most ways. That's where he got that whole "Let's be Pirates!" shit, even going so far as to hang up the Jolly Roger over the Mac tream's workspace. Crazy shit, lol.
It wasn't '73 either, Ken. Apple wasn't even founded until '76.
I'm kinda an Apple history addict. Here's a good link about Apple history. (There';s some great books out there, BTW. Very fascinating reading.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Apple_Computer
Ken
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2 testimonials are good enough for me. 
Donnie
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Meh... Mac or PC. They are both computers. They both have their problems and they both suck.
garbage in, garbage out!
Been a computer nerd since about 1981 and never owned a PC.
Went from Apple ][ to Macs to NeXT and now back to Macs since Apple bought NeXT (the best operating system I've ever used). The gripes in the video are completely outdated but definitely apply equally to the old versions of both mac and windows operating systems. Personally I would never use the old mac os (os9 or earlier) or any version of windows.
Any musician who does have a current mac has the opportunity to use one of the best software practice tools available: GarageBand - which is also excellent for basic demo recording and sketching out compositions. It's the first audio/midi recording & looping program that I've seen which has a reasonably intuitive user interface - most music software has absolutely horrible interface design.
For pro recording & composition I use Logic Pro.
I doubt the gaming issue will remain relevant for long with the advent of Intel-based Macs, but I don't play any games so I don't care.
I definitely feel sorry for people who are basing their mac experience on a pre-os x mac though. OS 9 was a horrible system and is totally unrelated to OS X.
Went from Apple ][ to Macs to NeXT and now back to Macs since Apple bought NeXT (the best operating system I've ever used). The gripes in the video are completely outdated but definitely apply equally to the old versions of both mac and windows operating systems. Personally I would never use the old mac os (os9 or earlier) or any version of windows.
Any musician who does have a current mac has the opportunity to use one of the best software practice tools available: GarageBand - which is also excellent for basic demo recording and sketching out compositions. It's the first audio/midi recording & looping program that I've seen which has a reasonably intuitive user interface - most music software has absolutely horrible interface design.
For pro recording & composition I use Logic Pro.
I doubt the gaming issue will remain relevant for long with the advent of Intel-based Macs, but I don't play any games so I don't care.
I definitely feel sorry for people who are basing their mac experience on a pre-os x mac though. OS 9 was a horrible system and is totally unrelated to OS X.
Durero said:
It came with my Mac, but I haven't used it yet. I guess I'm gonna have to give it try.
Flesh-EatingMonkey
AKA 'Burt'
That guy's just a moron. If he can't figure out how to use a Mac without making it crash, he must have a REALLY difficult time tying his shoes each morning. 
I've never had any of the problems he's b.s.ing about over the past 10 years. I don't use my computer for gaming, so I could care less.
Basicly, he's proof that Social Darwinism is not true.
I've never had any of the problems he's b.s.ing about over the past 10 years. I don't use my computer for gaming, so I could care less. Basicly, he's proof that Social Darwinism is not true.
Chris D
Fiddich or Morangie???
If you work with 3dsmax a Mac isn't an option... it's workstation or fatPC only for me.
The "non-micro$oft"-ness of Macs appeals to me though.
The "non-micro$oft"-ness of Macs appeals to me though.
7stringninja
Southpaw Bastard
I have been a die-hard PC guy my whole life. Everyone has always said "Macs are better for music and art" but I just never bought into it.
However, I am at the point now, where I wouldn't mind having a Mac IN ADDITION to my PC. In addition to playing guitar, I also like to delve into electronic music production, and even some rap. I use alot of Propellerheads software, which is available for both PC and OSX, but I've used both, and OSX beats it hands down. Also, Logic (the program) is now exclusive to OSX.
I'll continue to use my PC for web/games/misc while the Mac is going to be dedicated for music and such. I won't have to worry about deleting funny videos that I want to keep, so that I can make room on my harddrive to store my new song idea.
However, I am at the point now, where I wouldn't mind having a Mac IN ADDITION to my PC. In addition to playing guitar, I also like to delve into electronic music production, and even some rap. I use alot of Propellerheads software, which is available for both PC and OSX, but I've used both, and OSX beats it hands down. Also, Logic (the program) is now exclusive to OSX.
I'll continue to use my PC for web/games/misc while the Mac is going to be dedicated for music and such. I won't have to worry about deleting funny videos that I want to keep, so that I can make room on my harddrive to store my new song idea.
The Dark Wolf
Contributor
By "funny" videos, he means porn, of course. Lots of it.7stringninja said:
The Dark Wolf said:By "funny" videos, he means porn, of course. Lots of it.
That's why I have an external hard drive. My porn collection surpassed my 100 GB internal drive
The Dark Wolf
Contributor
I almost said "HOLY FUCKING SHIT!!!!"nitelightboy said:That's why I have an external hard drive. My porn collection surpassed my 100 GB internal drive
But then I remembered mine did, too.
Thank God for DVD-R. It's amazing what you can find on eMule, just by putting in terms like Bookworm Bitches and Barely Legal.
I think I've maybe seen 1/8th of what I have. The Dark Wolf said:I almost said "HOLY FUCKING SHIT!!!!"
But then I remembered mine did, too.
It's amazing what you can find on eMule, just by putting in terms like Bookworm Bitches and Barely Legal.
Yeah, try mother and daughter
You're terrible there TDW, just terrible
