Church2224
Guitar Whore
I see reasons my wallet is going to kill me
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Same hereI see reasons my wallet is going to kill me
why today?Sooo, aren't we supposed to get news about ESP's changes today?
Same herewhy today?
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Same herewhy today?
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Dealers such as myself will be getting the complete 2013 pricelist tomorrow, so I'll know for sure then.
I think I can see why ESP would get rid of the Standard Series... Introduce the LTD Elite line to take over the ESP Standard line, and then ESP would have their custom shop built guitars take over the ESP line, making them a more "botique" company and make LTD mass-produced line.
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Might be possibleI think I can see why ESP would get rid of the Standard Series... Introduce the LTD Elite line to take over the ESP Standard line, and then ESP would have their custom shop built guitars take over the ESP line, making them a more "botique" company and make LTD the mass-produced line.
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I bet we will see more LTD Elites, idk which models though.
Let us not jump to conclusions either, the Standard Series might be staying, let's just wait and see.
Might be possiblebtw trying to fins some news about in the ESP forum,I read some interest comments
"And that's exactly what a "real" ESP is....custom shop made.
While the standard series are good guitars, I've always felt they were ridiculously overpriced and paled in comparison to customs by a long shot. And, I'm pretty sure that they were made in factories that make Edwards guitars OR factories that farm themselves out to a few different brands and not dedicated ESP factories, so IMO they somewhat soiled the name of ESP as it stands. I'm a broken record, but the late 90's standards in the US are/were the best and closest to "real" custom made ESP's we could get in the US as mass produced models...And when they stopped making those, that's when moderately priced "real" ESP's died in the US. After that 2-3 year (or so) hiatus when no mass produced ESP's were available, they came out with the new Standard Series...which were all neck through or set neck and figured veneer tops, etc...I always thought the standards from then until now were just extremely overpriced LTD's. Sad to say, all the standards I've played from that changeover point in the early '00's up until now have done nothing to change my mind. The last standard series Horizon I played about a month ago felt almost identical to any Deluxe series H or MH. Not that they are bad guitars at all, but at 1899, c'mon."
"HUGE +1
I've worked in music stores for the past 10 years as a teacher and tech, and I've played and set up litterally hundreds of ESP's and LTD's. In all honestly, I tend to like higher end LTD's from World Musical Instruments infinitely more than the SS ESP's. The whole point behind the Standard Series was to break into the American market with a reasonably affordable 'real' ESP, but they're just LTD's with slightly more attention to detail with with the fretwork with 'ESP' slapped on the headstock. Plus, I don't know where they've been sourcing their wood from, but the 3 SS ESP's I've owned...plus a lot that I've set up....have the the softest neck woods I've ever seen on guitars in that price range. Cheap woods, veneer tops, and gobs of poly on $1,500+ guitars? No thanks. The Korean LTD's are more solid and with a once over by someone who knows what they're doing, can be set up to feel and play just as well as the SS version for $1,000 less."
do you tend to agree with this?![]()
No more Horizon 7?![]()
Alright. I'd be VERY surprised if the H7 is gone... I mean, if the Horizon 27 isn't discontinued...