Fake Shredders

[HungryGuitarStudent]

Also, the string noise muting seems, at least to me, a byproduct of how in modern metal everyone uses so much gain you have to use a gate. I've noticed since I went back to just running my guitar straight into the amp with no pedals, my playing has gotten a lot cleaner because it had to.

To build my muting chops, I always practice with headphones, no noise gate and a higher gain tone than when I record. (And I still suck.)

IMO, tapping arpeggios and fast position changes have always generated some string noise (except for bumbleberry), i.e. it’s not exclusive to modern metal.

@ the guy complaining about 15 pages: who are you, the thread length police? There’s a lot of fakery on IG and YT. Personally I like the reactionary transparency it seems to generate.

 

[Jonathan20022]

@Eptaceros

I didn't ignore your entire post, I tried to address most of it. I'll chalk it up to a difference of opinion even though I'm sure at the core of it we stand on the same side of the discussion. No point getting hung up on nuances, agree to disagree on those nuances and leave it at that. Cheers dude.

I don't think I've ever operated on slowing down and getting my playing cleaner, which probably hindered me more than anything but I'm just impatient and don't get enough time on the guitar as is. My instragram and youtube vids tend to have flubs because of this that probably bother me more than anyone who's ever watched them, but I don't really care.

Like I posted a rough cover of Stabwound's Solo, and my roommate gave me shit for not getting it completely noise free and perfect prior but I just told him I didn't care and I'll post a completed version when I get it down. Then I can sit down and compare them back to back, if anything is more harsh for new guitarists it's pretending you can perfect licks and riffs in a short amount of time. I'm pretty average at best, and it still takes me several days to round out my playing.

 

[c7spheres]

I wonder what Hendrix would have sounded like if he did this when he was playing. Definite doing this sort of production is bad for techniques and sounds that only live playing can accomplish. All those happy accidents are just gone/overlooked and not built upon. People doing this propobably have less of a ear for that sort of thing I'd assume. To each his own, but at least be honest when asked about stuff I say. People that lie about things like this just have other self esteem or identiy issues it seems. I love when I like a song and it's raw sounding has mistakes, rhythm imperfections etc. It just has all that honest vibe. As a whole it much more enjoyable and "organic" to sound cliche.

 

[mikernaut]

Finally watched Fountainhead's video that was mentioned on the topic, and was pleasantly surprised to see a guest appearance by Kevin Heiderich. Kevin is such a talented player and deserves more attention than this Frankenberry guy!

 

[InCasinoOut]

Finally watched Fountainhead's video that was mentioned on the topic, and was pleasantly surprised to see a guest appearance by Kevin Heiderich. Kevin is such a talented player and deserves more attention than this Frankenberry guy!

If you've ever wondered if modern tech-death has already reached it's peak human-playable tempo, Kevin Heiderich is one of the few who can prove that it can still get faster. I can't believe how clean his playing always is too, and I love it when he shreds on that Ibanez GIO!

 

[iamaom]

Unsure if you guys saying Dean and Toby of Archspire can't play their stuff, because they certainly can. Tons of live videos out there and I've stood 10' away and seen them nail their stuff. Those dudes are on another level.

I've seen them live twice, and while they can definitely play everything they write, they do have a lot of intros, outros and background effects that are played from a laptop which to a non-musician might come across as "faking it"; but its understandable because at that level of playing I wouldn't want to mess with a giant pedal board. (example would be the human mumuration video posted back, I distinctly remember they don't even try to mime along with it and instead just get in position for their actual playing parts)

 

[Necropitated]

If you've ever wondered if modern tech-death has already reached it's peak human-playable tempo, Kevin Heiderich is one of the few who can prove that it can still get faster. I can't believe how clean his playing always is too, and I love it when he shreds on that Ibanez GIO!

Haha, that GIO will go into retirement soon. The frets are just worn out and overall it's pretty banged up after 10 years of regular playing. It also has ridiculous action because of that. BUT, I'll be using it for one final video which I hope will give me more exposure ;-)

 

[Politics of Ecstasy]

I think this is a great video and reminds me of that one awful "band" that was posted on here a year or two back. Faking your guitar abilities is pretty lame, and I'd much rather listen to a "messier" solo like Friedman's at the end of the video than some perfect solo that sounds bland, soulless, and fake. The sad thing is that even guitarists in the 80s were doing this, and I'm sure most of you can name one right off the top of your heads.

IDK about this video man - like what is the TRUE point....is there a hidden agenda WITHIN the transparency, Mr. Ragdoll, sir?? Hm???

Now, this guy isn’t bad, he’s got the guitars, the gear, “the look,” and we all pay more attention to him AUTOMATICALLY because he sounds “English” to us American Goons! Lol j/k (NB: God bless America, and thank you to our Troops, honestly, because i think lately people need to remember we ARE ONE nation, but anyway, only side tracked because i realized there are non Americans here, which is so American of me to presume in the first place )

But - is he REALLY telling us anything us shredders didn’t know? Or really anyone reading this? I mean I definitely know the last of the true shredders (Vai, Petrucci, Malmsteen, Friedman, Becker, Gilbert) came from the 80’s shred scene.

Shred itself was like neo-classical in nature, so this post-modern addiction to “shred” pseudo chops In the name of, what I would dub psuedo neo shred or pseudo shred [sounds like a Sudafed.....and it sounds like i took too much Sudafed lol] is as ragdoll says, it imitates and falsifies the true art and discipline it takes a guitarist to actually play. It is itself self-reflexive: its Fake shred, and they arent shredders....and if they are doing THESE tricks, then holy shit, I cant beleive what Ive been listening to lately, and by lately, i mean shit like since 2010 or something, is REALLY “auto tuned” slop......which i suspected, but couldnt prove, as he did (and all they do is copy licks from YouTube’s free Rock Discipline from JP)

Now while its upsetting, and i appreciate his effort to confirm these suspicions we shredders had, as we know what it sounds like to practice it, play it, and then hear it recorded alone and then with a mix on top of it....so what the hell is my point?

I think this video is just self-promotion because he can shred, and he wants us to know it.

So Mr Ragdoll, we get your point - not only do you know how to rock rigs, you are a real shredder, mad props (freakin show off, lol j/k)

Awesome video, thanks for posting!

 

[HungryGuitarStudent]

Here’s what a raw take really sounds like (and it’s still mind boggling):

 

[c7spheres]

What's the point? I can't see any of these links for some reason, but I've seen these types of shred olympics type guys and they need to get some feeling. They are missing the entire point. It would be like comparing Bruce Lee to some random guy that can punch ten times faster than Bruce Lee. One understands and one doesn't. It's also like comparing a great novelist to someone who can memorize the dictionary. The guy who memorized the dictionary probably knows more words, but there's no point. He's just a biological robot, essentially. He just doesn't understand. Then there's these shred olympic's people and then those who can actually feel music or write music. No. Really.. Actually, feel.. music. Most great emotionally charged songs are not on a high technical level of playing ability. There are songs that are better and it's really just not an opinion whether it's better once you really "get" it, imo. Usually the farther back in time you go during the 20th century, the better it gets. It peaked between the 1920's to 2005 or so, regarding flat out songs that are more in touch with the real human race. Even the shredders from that era where mostly still emotionally involved. It's my bias and opinion sure, but nothing greater than that period in human history will probably ever happen again. It was the modern day equivalent of what other cultures already developed, such as India, China, Japan, Mongolia, and pretty much everywhere else on Earth other than modern Europe and America. It was the last real evolution of music because music theory and techiniques etc were still being figured out largely, and now even though there is still new concepts and such, pretty much eveything has been tried to a certain extent. The world is now ready to mix everything and anything it wants into it's music. Techincal ability isn't as important as self expression and creating the art/music itself. This is what is going to be and starting to be the new frontier in musical exploration (mixing styles and cultures) along with new instruments and sounds as well. This will lead to new types of theory eventually, but the old theory at this point is more like a proof rather than a thoery. Just a thought.

 

[Avedas]

What's the point? I can't see any of these links for some reason, but I've seen these types of shred olympics type guys and they need to get some feeling. They are missing the entire point. It would be like comparing Bruce Lee to some random guy that can punch ten times faster than Bruce Lee. One understands and one doesn't. It's also like comparing a great novelist to someone who can memorize the dictionary. The guy who memorized the dictionary probably knows more words, but there's no point. He's just a biological robot, essentially. He just doesn't understand. Then there's these shred olympic's people and then those who can actually feel music or write music. No. Really.. Actually, feel.. music. Most great emotionally charged songs are not on a high technical level of playing ability. There are songs that are better and it's really just not an opinion whether it's better once you really "get" it, imo. Usually the farther back in time you go during the 20th century, the better it gets. It peaked between the 1920's to 2005 or so, regarding flat out songs that are more in touch with the real human race. Even the shredders from that era where mostly still emotionally involved. It's my bias and opinion sure, but nothing greater than that period in human history will probably ever happen again. It was the modern day equivalent of what other cultures already developed, such as India, China, Japan, Mongolia, and pretty much everywhere else on Earth other than modern Europe and America. It was the last real evolution of music because music theory and techiniques etc were still being figured out largely, and now even though there is still new concepts and such, pretty much eveything has been tried to a certain extent. The world is now ready to mix everything and anything it wants into it's music. Techincal ability isn't as important as self expression and creating the art/music itself. This is what is going to be and starting to be the new frontier in musical exploration (mixing styles and cultures) along with new instruments and sounds as well. This will lead to new types of theory eventually, but the old theory at this point is more like a proof rather than a thoery. Just a thought.

Music peaked with Free Bird. It's all over now.

 

[Fenriswolf]

Music peaked with Free Bird. It's all over now.

As much as a love Free Bird...

 

[USMarine75]

What's the point? I can't see any of these links for some reason, but I've seen these types of shred olympics type guys and they need to get some feeling. They are missing the entire point. It would be like comparing Bruce Lee to some random guy that can punch ten times faster than Bruce Lee. One understands and one doesn't. It's also like comparing a great novelist to someone who can memorize the dictionary. The guy who memorized the dictionary probably knows more words, but there's no point. He's just a biological robot, essentially. He just doesn't understand. Then there's these shred olympic's people and then those who can actually feel music or write music. No. Really.. Actually, feel.. music. Most great emotionally charged songs are not on a high technical level of playing ability. There are songs that are better and it's really just not an opinion whether it's better once you really "get" it, imo. Usually the farther back in time you go during the 20th century, the better it gets. It peaked between the 1920's to 2005 or so, regarding flat out songs that are more in touch with the real human race. Even the shredders from that era where mostly still emotionally involved. It's my bias and opinion sure, but nothing greater than that period in human history will probably ever happen again. It was the modern day equivalent of what other cultures already developed, such as India, China, Japan, Mongolia, and pretty much everywhere else on Earth other than modern Europe and America. It was the last real evolution of music because music theory and techiniques etc were still being figured out largely, and now even though there is still new concepts and such, pretty much eveything has been tried to a certain extent. The world is now ready to mix everything and anything it wants into it's music. Techincal ability isn't as important as self expression and creating the art/music itself. This is what is going to be and starting to be the new frontier in musical exploration (mixing styles and cultures) along with new instruments and sounds as well. This will lead to new types of theory eventually, but the old theory at this point is more like a proof rather than a thoery. Just a thought.

Please re-submit with paragraphs, so I can read this without my mind SCREAMING and my eyes burning.

 

[GuitarBizarre]

Usually the farther back in time you go during the 20th century, the better it gets. It peaked between the 1920's to 2005 or so

I'd really love to know how you came to this timescale spanning 85 years and thought that was specific enough to call it where music "peaked".

Was the peak, in your opinion, Bebop Jazz, Smooth Jazz, Psytrance, Rockabilly, Trance, Happy Hardcore, Techno, Gabber, Punk, AOR Rock, Fusion, The Exploratory works of John Cage, the Serial Method of Schoenberg in the late 1940s, the development of the synthesiser in the 80s, sampling in Hip-Hop, R&B, Crunk, Boom Bap, Hyphy Rap, Funk, Soul, Shred Metal, Glam Rock, Phantom of the Opera, Sweeney Todd, Avenue Q, The Picard Song, Never Gonna Give You Up, or the 2001 classic, "Pay Me For Sex" by Venetian Snares and Speedranch, of which I have provided a video below?



Please. I have to know which of these wildly disparate subgenres that all came into being between 1920 and 2005, you meant when you claimed music peaked! Is it Gabber? It's probably Gabber, right?

 

[prlgmnr]

FUCK my speakers were on too loud, I'm dead now

 

[c7spheres]

I'd really love to know how you came to this timescale spanning 85 years and thought that was specific enough to call it where music "peaked".

Was the peak, in your opinion, Bebop Jazz, Smooth Jazz, Psytrance, Rockabilly, Trance, Happy Hardcore, Techno, Gabber, Punk, AOR Rock, Fusion, The Exploratory works of John Cage, the Serial Method of Schoenberg in the late 1940s, the development of the synthesiser in the 80s, sampling in Hip-Hop, R&B, Crunk, Boom Bap, Hyphy Rap, Funk, Soul, Shred Metal, Glam Rock, Phantom of the Opera, Sweeney Todd, Avenue Q, The Picard Song, Never Gonna Give You Up, or the 2001 classic, "Pay Me For Sex" by Venetian Snares and Speedranch, of which I have provided a video below?



Please. I have to know which of these wildly disparate subgenres that all came into being between 1920 and 2005, you meant when you claimed music peaked! Is it Gabber? It's probably Gabber, right?

No not gabber, it's mumble rap all the way! My point was more that this time period covers basically everything. After 2005 there's not much "newcoming out" the experimenting has been done and now the next phase will be the combination of cultures and styles and instruments along with new sounds. This time period is what almost everyone on the planet is listening too. Most aren't regularly into classical or old traditional music. Usually that would be one of the things thier into if anything. Most people are into music of this century. I think that this period of music will be more listeed to than somethign like classical though hundreds of years from now. It is special and unique to anything that iwll come after it and is a foundation for everything to come. The stuff to come may be good, but I serisously doubt will have the impact the 20th centurys' music had on the human race. Just an opinion.

 

[Bandersnatch]

No not gabber, it's mumble rap all the way! My point was more that this time period covers basically everything. After 2005 there's not much "newcoming out" the experimenting has been done and now the next phase will be the combination of cultures and styles and instruments along with new sounds. This time period is what almost everyone on the planet is listening too. Most aren't regularly into classical or old traditional music. Usually that would be one of the things thier into if anything. Most people are into music of this century. I think that this period of music will be more listeed to than somethign like classical though hundreds of years from now. It is special and unique to anything that iwll come after it and is a foundation for everything to come. The stuff to come may be good, but I serisously doubt will have the impact the 20th centurys' music had on the human race. Just an opinion.

Just wait 30 years when the stuff we're listening to now will be recategorized as "classic rock"...

 

[GunpointMetal]

Staring into the past, wishing it was the future. Fixed it for you.

What's the point? .......{oldmanyellsatcloud.gif}

 

[GuitarBizarre]

No not gabber, it's mumble rap all the way! My point was more that this time period covers basically everything. After 2005 there's not much "newcoming out" the experimenting has been done and now the next phase will be the combination of cultures and styles and instruments along with new sounds. This time period is what almost everyone on the planet is listening too. Most aren't regularly into classical or old traditional music. Usually that would be one of the things thier into if anything. Most people are into music of this century. I think that this period of music will be more listeed to than somethign like classical though hundreds of years from now. It is special and unique to anything that iwll come after it and is a foundation for everything to come. The stuff to come may be good, but I serisously doubt will have the impact the 20th centurys' music had on the human race. Just an opinion.

Except that your time period completely ignores Vaporwave, which is a fundamentally distinct, anti-commercial genre that seeks to render moot the commercialisation of rebellion that ultimately became the death knell of punk?

What you're saying doesn't do anything but betray your ignorance of contemporary subgenres and movements in artistic thinking. You're stuck in the past because it's all you're able to appreciate. The reason you're able to appreciate it is because there's plenty of analysis of it that other people have put in front of you over time and you've not had to think about how that music works, you've just absorbed the opinions of others, many of whom stopped looking forward themselves once they found something they enjoyed.