For the love of God w/ Orchestra
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Roundhouse_Kick
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Well if no one else will comment I will!
That was awesome!!
That was awesome!!
gnarly... his guitar sure was loud though. but how he achieves the album tone with his live rig is pretty cool...
Allen Garrow
Famous Beaver Hunter
That is the best version I have ever heard. The beginning just gives me frik'n goosebumps.
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leatherface2
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god
Cancer
Gazzmask
Didn't Yngwie do this already?....(iKid)
Ah, Vai. Intellectually, he does great things for me, on a spiritual/feeling level, eh, not so much.
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You know what I'd like to see.. Instead of taking your 40-odd year old instrument, and playing over top of 300 year instruments, why not play in the sandbox with instruments its own age. This would have been cool if he had like 5 thermins players, 2 digital drummers, some really imaginative synth players, and that bald guy on Chapman stick bass. Get some more modern instruments, the classical thing has been done to death. I get when a Blackmore or a Malmsteen does something like this, but not Mr.Alien Love Secrets, not Mr. "I channel energy from other dimensions of spirituality". I dunno, it just seems ....out of context.
I mean this man played with Zappa....
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Ah, Vai. Intellectually, he does great things for me, on a spiritual/feeling level, eh, not so much.
[Rant]
You know what I'd like to see.. Instead of taking your 40-odd year old instrument, and playing over top of 300 year instruments, why not play in the sandbox with instruments its own age. This would have been cool if he had like 5 thermins players, 2 digital drummers, some really imaginative synth players, and that bald guy on Chapman stick bass. Get some more modern instruments, the classical thing has been done to death. I get when a Blackmore or a Malmsteen does something like this, but not Mr.Alien Love Secrets, not Mr. "I channel energy from other dimensions of spirituality". I dunno, it just seems ....out of context.
I mean this man played with Zappa....
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Korbain
Stay negative!
he's fucking great and always will be
Sweet!
Ryan
Well-Known Member
meh, some parts were alright, but most of it was whackin off :/
i like when vai plays more tech parts and weird techniques; and not drawn out endings and whammy bar cranking (wtf was that?). The 3:10 part of the live Tender solo was ownage.
i like when vai plays more tech parts and weird techniques; and not drawn out endings and whammy bar cranking (wtf was that?). The 3:10 part of the live Tender solo was ownage.
HighGain510
Contributor
Vai rocks.... definitely one of the my favorite guitarists in that style besides Petrucci and Satriani! That is a great song and a very cool version of it too!
I would say Tender Surrender is probably my all-time favorite Vai song... I can listen to that song set on repeat for hours on end without getting bored! So many cool textures and I love how it starts out Jazz-based then goes into some blues and then comes in with a full-on shredfest with his signature tapping, whammy and legato stuff and then right back into jazz mode without losing a beat! I love it!!!!
I would say Tender Surrender is probably my all-time favorite Vai song... I can listen to that song set on repeat for hours on end without getting bored! So many cool textures and I love how it starts out Jazz-based then goes into some blues and then comes in with a full-on shredfest with his signature tapping, whammy and legato stuff and then right back into jazz mode without losing a beat! I love it!!!!
That part near the end where he blows on the strings to get the harmonics? I believed it at first, until I couldn't repeat it on my own guitar. Now look again closely at his right hand, and watch how his thumb flips the switch for the sustainer. Diabolical! Sleight of hand at its finest!
Not my favorite "guitar + orchestra" piece by any stretch. Production quality can throw me off sometimes and Steve does stick out above everyone else. His tone also seems a little more abrasive than usual. Otherwise it felt like something just didn't mesh between him and the orchestra.
I preferred some of the stuff Malmsteen did with the orchestra in Japan. Their timing was not always on, but having listened to Malmsteen since the beginning, I have come to expect that to an extent. He gets caught up in the moment. However, during the parts where the orchestra carries the rhythm of the piece he seems like he feels most comfortable and plays as an integral part of the group. His music IS classical so the feeling that it doesn't mesh just isn't there.
I agree with psyphre to an extent. I would like to see something new rather than old hat. One of the reasons I got into Mark Wood when his first album came out was that there were no electric guitars on it yet it was undeniably rock. I get into Bela Fleck's stuff for the same reasons.
What I would like to see for a change once in a while is a role shift. I know it's happening among bass players, especially those who play extended range basses. Garry Goodman's music is a good example. Also, Al Caldwell, who makes it a point to play all of the distorted leads on his rock pieces with his bass, is really making a statement about the predetermined roles we are pigeon-holed into.
I used to love watching Neil Peart of Rush play keyboard marts on his midi drum rig. Talk about a role shift there!!!
Wow, I completely deviated from the subject.... sry
I preferred some of the stuff Malmsteen did with the orchestra in Japan. Their timing was not always on, but having listened to Malmsteen since the beginning, I have come to expect that to an extent. He gets caught up in the moment. However, during the parts where the orchestra carries the rhythm of the piece he seems like he feels most comfortable and plays as an integral part of the group. His music IS classical so the feeling that it doesn't mesh just isn't there.
I agree with psyphre to an extent. I would like to see something new rather than old hat. One of the reasons I got into Mark Wood when his first album came out was that there were no electric guitars on it yet it was undeniably rock. I get into Bela Fleck's stuff for the same reasons.
What I would like to see for a change once in a while is a role shift. I know it's happening among bass players, especially those who play extended range basses. Garry Goodman's music is a good example. Also, Al Caldwell, who makes it a point to play all of the distorted leads on his rock pieces with his bass, is really making a statement about the predetermined roles we are pigeon-holed into.
I used to love watching Neil Peart of Rush play keyboard marts on his midi drum rig. Talk about a role shift there!!!
Wow, I completely deviated from the subject.... sry
I see Steve Vai is still as boring as hell then. Haven't listened to him in a long time so I thought I'd give this a go and see if I'd got any more insight into his genius, but it still seems like a load of old toss to me 
SevenatoR
Seven String Slinger
Saw this a couple of days ago for the first time. I can't get enough of it. The first part just blew me away. *Chills*
Metahedron
((952)³ + (-951)³)
I agree entirely, a poorly executed conceptual display.
I see Steve Vai is still as boring as hell then. Haven't listened to him in a long time so I thought I'd give this a go and see if I'd got any more insight into his genius, but it still seems like a load of old toss to me
The merciless wank is undeniable.
Steve Vai, no matter the amount that can be attributed to him(especially from the standpoint of a 7 string player), just possesses such little traction with my interest. I am afraid I simply cannot digest the virtuosity as any sort of substitution for authentic expression.
Drew
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Vai kind of bores me these days too - most of his material since "Alien Love Secrets" (and sadly a good chunk of it from before, and even a few moments on that otherwise amazing album) just strike me as weirdness for the sake of weirdness.
I see nothing wrong with the idea of Vai playing with an orchestra - I agree his tone kind of sucks here, as does the mix, but the idea of taking a modern electric instrument and putting it in the context of traditional classical instruments is, if no longer groundbreakingly innovative, still a way to place the electric guitar in a fresh context.
But the music? I just can't listen to it anymore. He sort of gets caught up in the excesses and somewhere along the way the passion gets lost. This isn't an indictment of "shred" or anything; far from it. It's just I can't relate to his music anymore. His roots are Zappa; mine are the blues.
I see nothing wrong with the idea of Vai playing with an orchestra - I agree his tone kind of sucks here, as does the mix, but the idea of taking a modern electric instrument and putting it in the context of traditional classical instruments is, if no longer groundbreakingly innovative, still a way to place the electric guitar in a fresh context.
But the music? I just can't listen to it anymore. He sort of gets caught up in the excesses and somewhere along the way the passion gets lost. This isn't an indictment of "shred" or anything; far from it. It's just I can't relate to his music anymore. His roots are Zappa; mine are the blues.
