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Chaz
Really? I think the veneers on the Premium 827qm is pretty nice tbh.
edit - i guess they can be a hit or miss
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Really? I think the veneers on the Premium 827qm is pretty nice tbh.
edit - i guess they can be a hit or miss This site may earn a commission from merchant links like Ebay, Amazon, and others.
Konfyouzd
Return of the Dread-I
Classical is on sale at Sweetwater... Just pulled the trigger!
RickSchneider
Well-Known Member
Just ordered myself a RG752FX SPM 
Matt_D_
Well-Known Member
So things like an RGA420z will be a veneer top on a maple cap? What about the RGA121's in natural? Im not upset at this, just curious
I'd rather a nice looking maple veneer on a maple cap, than a boring maple cap
narad
Progressive metal and politics
So things like an RGA420z will be a veneer top on a maple cap? What about the RGA121's in natural? Im not upset at this, just curious
No - the RGAs with figured maple have a figured maple top. He's talking about the S-series in that first sentence and 420zs have the faux binding.
Watty
Naturally Cynical
So things like an RGA420z will be a veneer top on a maple cap? What about the RGA121's in natural? Im not upset at this, just curious
That's just it, the RGA121's were a solid maple cap because plain maple is literally a "dime a dozen" whereas a figured maple cap that's nicely figured could easily run $100, even at a manufacturing price point.
SkullCrusher
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Some veneers are printed (a digital picture)
Ben.Last
Formerly Lern2Swim
No, they're not. As Zimbloth said, "I think people are confused about what a veneer means, and perhaps are mixing up "veneer" with "photo flames" or something thats fake. Veneers are "real" top woods, its just merely a thinner slice, the figuring is the same either way. Most companies do things this way."
If someone's misrepresenting a photo top as a veneer, then that's an entirely different topic.
Chuck
Well-Known Member
Photo-flame =/= veneer
Meximelt
Well-Known Member
So when someone gets one of these. Which subforum do they put the NGD? 6 string, ERG or bass?
i was thinking the same thing. Bass VI's should be in the bass sub forum, but everyone else seems to put Bass VI stuff in the erg section so that's what I'm gonna do when i get it.
Jonathan20022
Engineer
Some Premium Tops are a bit iffy, I can admit. I may have just gotten lucky because I loved the Veneers on mine, I couldn't honestly be assed to care though. Those two Premiums are monsters and played as well as a 2000 Level Prestige for me. Anyone expecting absurd tops on low end/mid range instruments should realize that it's probably not going to happen. Especially on guitars like the S Series.
Grand Moff Tim
Some call me... Tim
I don't like veneers because I'm sick as shit of seeing figured maple tops on every-fvcking-thing. I hate that for some reason it seems to be that "figure top = nice guitar" to so many people, so companies can just slap a veneer on a model they already had, charge a little more for it, and people just eat it up. It's like putting fake alloy hubcaps on stock car rims to make it look like it has alloy rims. People think that's dumb, but for some reason veneers are okay?
It kinda feels like companies like PRS made a name for themselves by making guitars with gorgeous tops and fancy finishes, then someone realized they could approximate that look with a veneer instead, so they started adding them and piggy-backing on the success of "nicer" guitars.
Hey, if you guys just like the figured maple aesthetic and are willing to settle for a veneer instead of an actual top, more power to you. And if a real top isn't an option on the S series because they're too thin and people insist on having a figured top aesthetic anyways, have a ball. If it were me designing them and I didn't want to sacrifice the tone of the mahogany in the body by adding a thick maple top, you know what I'd do instead of just adding a veneer? I'd leave it the fvck alone and sell a full-mahogany guitar with a solid finish. Crazy, I know.
Lol. This probably makes me seem more angry about all this than I actually am. It's a bit of a guitar pet peeve of mine these days, but I'm not really frothing at the mouth about it. Just... voicing an opinion. Sure, veneers WILL stop me from buying a guitar, but there are plenty of Ibbies without them (I have a UV70P), and there are plenty of people who will buy the ones that do have them, so it's no real skin of my or Ibby's back, hahaha.
It kinda feels like companies like PRS made a name for themselves by making guitars with gorgeous tops and fancy finishes, then someone realized they could approximate that look with a veneer instead, so they started adding them and piggy-backing on the success of "nicer" guitars.
Hey, if you guys just like the figured maple aesthetic and are willing to settle for a veneer instead of an actual top, more power to you. And if a real top isn't an option on the S series because they're too thin and people insist on having a figured top aesthetic anyways, have a ball. If it were me designing them and I didn't want to sacrifice the tone of the mahogany in the body by adding a thick maple top, you know what I'd do instead of just adding a veneer? I'd leave it the fvck alone and sell a full-mahogany guitar with a solid finish. Crazy, I know.
Lol. This probably makes me seem more angry about all this than I actually am. It's a bit of a guitar pet peeve of mine these days, but I'm not really frothing at the mouth about it. Just... voicing an opinion. Sure, veneers WILL stop me from buying a guitar, but there are plenty of Ibbies without them (I have a UV70P), and there are plenty of people who will buy the ones that do have them, so it's no real skin of my or Ibby's back, hahaha.
So things like an RGA420z will be a veneer top on a maple cap? What about the RGA121's in natural? Im not upset at this, just curious
RGA's had the thickest maple since the USAC's, 17mm thick so they could carve the arch top. The USAC's had a 1/2" top because they didn't have a vacuum form machine to form a 4mm [or thicker] top around the arm contour.
While on the subject, you know all the LW's are veneer also?
Jake
GAS Master
My PRS has a nice thick 10 top and it's beautiful but that's honestly what I tend to stay away from aesthetically these days.
2 of my prestiges are solid colors and then my S has an absolutely beautiful bubinga veneer/top/whateverthe....youwannacallit
And one of them is gloss black
My RGA321f had a thick flamed maple top on it, that was sweet.
Anyway on topic I really wanna buy the Bowen sig but we'll see how my financial situation looks after my tax return and this semester. Might just have to be financially responsible this year
2 of my prestiges are solid colors and then my S has an absolutely beautiful bubinga veneer/top/whateverthe....youwannacallit
And one of them is gloss black
My RGA321f had a thick flamed maple top on it, that was sweet.
Anyway on topic I really wanna buy the Bowen sig but we'll see how my financial situation looks after my tax return and this semester. Might just have to be financially responsible this year
source field
Well-Known Member
I was never a fan of fancy/quilted/flamed veener and tops, they look busy to me. Personally i think the plain maple top on the RGA121NTF/VLF looks much cooler IMO
I have plenty of guitars that are a solid finish.
But.the Doom Purple Burst and Green Nebula are just ....ing gorgeous. And I know I like the way high end Sabers play.
I'm not sure why adding extra pretty to already fantastic guitars would be a bad thing.
Veneers aren't like fake rims as they are real wood. A veneer *is a real top* just a thin one.
But.the Doom Purple Burst and Green Nebula are just ....ing gorgeous. And I know I like the way high end Sabers play.
I'm not sure why adding extra pretty to already fantastic guitars would be a bad thing.
Veneers aren't like fake rims as they are real wood. A veneer *is a real top* just a thin one.
Grand Moff Tim
Some call me... Tim
But like hubcaps, they're purely aesthetic. Fine if you like that aesthetic, but annoying if you don't.
Watty
Naturally Cynical
I guess I'm in the same camp depending on the veneer quality. I dig solid finishes if done right and that's one of the main reasons I'm considering Jake's sig as it's got a classy aesthetic without involving figured woods.
If I had a say, I would have opted for a non-painted neck though...
If I had a say, I would have opted for a non-painted neck though...
narad
Progressive metal and politics
It's the satin finish though. I have this on one of my KLs and it's one of my favorite aspects about that guitar. Smoother than a lot of maple necks when done right.
