Kiesel goes EVH

[Crungy]

Nah they're recessed. If you look close you can see the paint going into the cavities

I do wonder IF they do get some kinda C&D they'll pull some kinda "I'm being silenced/cancelled!!!' thing lol

I could see that happening

 

[MaxOfMetal]

Are these top-mount floyd’s?

Pshhhh like they'd put any effort in.

 

[SalsaWood]

Let's pick a hill to die on with this shit at least. The way I see the wind blowing around here it seems to be:

American made splatter variations from a famous dead guy's meme guitar = bad.

Chinese communist industrial subsidy offset guitars undercutting American luthiers = good.

 

[somethingsomething]

I hate that Kiesel won't do top-mount Floyds. The fact that they don't do it on an EVH guitar is the most offensive thing about this whole pointless affair.

 

[JSKrev]

Are these top-mount floyd’s? If so, that’s pretty on the nose. No doubt someone got a phone call soon after these were announced to the public.

I can only imagine Kiesel and Co balking at a legal phone call until a formal C&D letter shows up.

The ones on the ends look recessed, but the middle ones aren't (at least to my eye). Top-mount is what Eddie used. At least they got that right...

 

[HeHasTheJazzHands]

The ones on the ends look recessed, but the middle ones aren't (at least to my eye). Top-mount is what Eddie used. At least they got that right...

Pretty sure they're all recessed, the Photoshop touchups + low resolution just makes it hard to see.

Oh yeah you can also just Google the guitars themselves because this is semi-old news. They are recessed. just realized the actual post about this is dated June 17th.

 

[Hollowway]

Let's pick a hill to die on with this shit at least. The way I see the wind blowing around here it seems to be:

American made splatter variations from a famous dead guy's meme guitar = bad.

Chinese communist industrial subsidy offset guitars undercutting American luthiers = good.

I'm not sure if you're serious (or what a communist industrial subsidy offset guitar is) but I think people do need to be consistent in where they draw the ethical line. I don't like Chinese knock off strandbergs any more than this Kiesel EVH. But, I also don't buy the straw man that "everything is a copy of a Strat" either.

Not to get all philosophical, but I think blatant copying is a cop out, and avoids the need to be innovative. It's a short cut to profit at the expense of actually contributing anything to advance whatever the product or service is. I no more like that in guitars than I do when Samsung took screen shots of the iPhone and told it's engineers to scrap what they were working on, and instead "copy this." To me, that's the artistic/intellectual/production/scientific equivalent of autotune. I know I sound holier than thou, but it's just how I feel about it.

On this particular subject, the EVH Kiesel, I am quite sure there is a way to do this right. I'm also quite sure Jeff Kiesel has no idea how to do that, because he simply doesn't care. It's just all hubris and profit for him. He's like the fast fashion of the guitar industry.

 

[SalsaWood]

industrial subsidy offset

Price dumping. In this case specifically with products directly resultant of IP theft instead of in house innovation or development, which is not uncommon at fucking all in the East.

 

[_MonSTeR_]

Price dumping. In this case specifically with products directly resultant of IP theft instead of in house innovation or development, which is not uncommon at fucking all in the East.

Thanks for explaining this is detail, because I only skimmed the posts and was left thinking...

Chinese communist industrial subsidy "offset guitars" undercutting American luthiers = good.

Jaguars, or Jazzmasters?

 

[MaxOfMetal]

Tacky money grabs are only okay if they're domestic apparently.

 

[Soya]

I thought eruption splatter was the Kurt Cobain model

 

[Riverview]

On this particular subject, the EVH Kiesel, I am quite sure there is a way to do this right. I'm also quite sure Jeff Kiesel has no idea how to do that, because he simply doesn't care. It's just all hubris and profit for him. He's like the fast fashion of the guitar industry.

poor take imo .

The guitar industry has been copying Les Paul and Strat shapes since the beginning of electric guitars , yet alone paint jobs . Does that mean every single guitar maker with a tobacco burst guitar is hubris and profit ?

They say imitation is the greatest form of flattery , I’m pretty sure Eddie would be stoked to see people rocking a guitar with this paint job , obviously we all know that splatter paint job is related to him , but at the end of the day it still is a fairly universal idea and has been done in multiple industries for decades , and it is not an original idea . There has been many companies who have done this already , hell I know a local shop who has one in this exact finish for sale right now ;

So why aren’t you and everyone else up in arms about the others who also do it ? Unless the paint job is trademarked , which would be silly , I say fair play to everyone who wants to do it … it’s literally just paint .

While I think it’s noble , and I understand where people are coming from to a degree to validate Eddies massive presence in music , and the relation to the guitars to EVH as a brand , at the end of the day I think Eddie would be stoked to see anyone pick up a guitar and play . Red paint or not . I don’t think Kiesel doing a limited launch is going to water down the EVH image , as I mentioned it has been done way before Kiesel .

Same logic applies for Dime’s slimeburst finish . Scott from Anthrax just released his signature guitar based on his guitar , and Jackson sells thousands of them , but you don’t bat an eye to that ? Jackson will make more money off that than Kiesel will , and Fender is already controls majority of the market … hypocritical thinking if you ask me .

Anyways that’s my 0.02 , I think this forums fascination with gatekeeping and bashing has become pretty sad , it is just paint . That being said , if EVH is really that over the top with protecting a paint job , I think that’s pretty lame as well .

 

[SalsaWood]

Tacky money grabs are only okay if they're domestic apparently.

People are going to buy what they want, just pick a hill to die on about it is all I'm saying. Seems like a lot of folks just don't like Jeff, and as I don't have strong feelings about him or EVH I find it funny folks are picking at these guitars- which are definitely better than the frankenshit coming out of the East by every single technical and ethic metric.

 

[Ray-T]

I definitely wouldn't want Jeff Kiesel's eruption splatter on my guitar

 

[tian]

I definitely wouldn't want Jeff Kiesel's eruption splatter on my guitar

I wonder what the turn around time for that special finish would be...

 

[Hollowway]

poor take imo .

The guitar industry has been copying Les Paul and Strat shapes since the beginning of electric guitars , yet alone paint jobs . Does that mean every single guitar maker with a tobacco burst guitar is hubris and profit ?

They say imitation is the greatest form of flattery , I’m pretty sure Eddie would be stoked to see people rocking a guitar with this paint job , obviously we all know that splatter paint job is related to him , but at the end of the day it still is a fairly universal idea and has been done in multiple industries for decades , and it is not an original idea . There has been many companies who have done this already , hell I know a local shop who has one in this exact finish for sale right now ;


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So why aren’t you and everyone else up in arms about the others who also do it ? Unless the paint job is trademarked , which would be silly , I say fair play to everyone who wants to do it … it’s literally just paint .

While I think it’s noble , and I understand where people are coming from to a degree to validate Eddies massive presence in music , and the relation to the guitars to EVH as a brand , at the end of the day I think Eddie would be stoked to see anyone pick up a guitar and play . Red paint or not . I don’t think Kiesel doing a limited launch is going to water down the EVH image , as I mentioned it has been done way before Kiesel .

Same logic applies for Dime’s slimeburst finish . Scott from Anthrax just released his signature guitar based on his guitar , and Jackson sells thousands of them , but you don’t bat an eye to that ? Jackson will make more money off that than Kiesel will , and Fender is already controls majority of the market … hypocritical thinking if you ask me .

Anyways that’s my 0.02 , I think this forums fascination with gatekeeping and bashing has become pretty sad , it is just paint . That being said , if EVH is really that over the top with protecting a paint job , I think that’s pretty lame as well .

I'm happy to debate this stuff, actually. The whole idea comes up a lot, and I'm not entirely sure I could codify my opinion on it even if I tried.

The bit about being allowed to copy Les Pauls and Strats isn't a valid argument. You can't point out that something wrong was done in the past, and therefore everything in the future is fair game. It's worth noting that when LPs and Strats were copied it WAS controversial at the time, and lawsuits were filed. In fact, Gibson is still filing lawsuits. People bring this argument up, but it 1) wasn't ever true, and 2) it doesn't green light further copying.

I didn't claim that anyone making a guitar like another is hubris and profit. I said that JEFF making a guitar like Eddie's is hubris and profit. Jeff has demonstrated multiple times that he is willing to put profit over things that many others think should take priority. I actually really liked when the one person had this done as a one off. That was cool. I like this design, and this concept. Am I hyper sensitive about Jeff Kiesel because of what I perceive as him demonstrating bad customer service, bad business decisions, and being an all around jerk? Absolutely.

You say I am not up in arms about others doing it. My stance on copying designs is pretty well documented on this forum and elsewhere. I go ballistic when people order strandberg copies from China, in fact.

The paint job on Frankie IS copyrighted. As far as I know, the actual design is copyrighted, but he was not able to get generic white and black stripes over red copyrighted - though they tried. EVH (the man and the company) have an established history of cease and desist notices, etc., against those who infringed upon his design. You can assume he would "be stoked to see anyone rocking a guitar with this paint job" but his actual history shows the opposite.

It's worth pointing out that Eddie strove to do what he could to differentiate himself from others when they would copy his design. As long as we're weighing in opinions, I think Eddie would be more happy with someone making their own design, and moving their own direction.

You're calling me hypocritical that I don't bat an eye at the Scott Ian signature. Where are you getting this from? I've never commented on this at all.

I'm not sure saying that one company shouldn't profit off another person's work is "gatekeeping," but I'm not in disagreement with you, entirely. I hate gatekeeping, as well.

My main argument here is that Jeff Kiesel is being a profit-driven slime ball. That's 100% my opinion, I'll admit.

And I'm totally fine if anyone disagrees with me. I agree that imitation is the highest form of flattery, and that "great artists steal," but at the same time I don't think design theft should be allowed. I'm not sure how to rectify that difference, and I wind up taking it on an issue-by-issue basis. Is that overthinking it? Yes, but that's SO on brand for me, lol.

Anyway, apologies for the rant, but I wanted to respond.

 

[Riverview]

Anyway, apologies for the rant, but I wanted to respond.

Agree to disagree

I woke up on the wrong side of the bed and you definitely caught some strays there , but I appreciate the insight and has definitely made me reconsider some things .

I’m a diehard Eddie fan , just wanna see people rock and roll and not worry about a finish I was also unaware it was copywriten !

 

[SalsaWood]

I wonder what the turn around time for that special finish would be...

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