Looking for either........

[noodles]

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[Chris]

Yea you're right Chris. I have no idea what I'm talking about. I only play these guitars on a daily basis...

You playing them still has nothing to do with the fact there is no "vast" quality difference between them. Whether or not you like the necks better has nothing to do with quality. Whether or not you prefer the fret height has nothing to do with quality. You said that the UV's were of higher quality than 7620's and that Drew's ludicrous to think otherwise because "you play them...............". That's wrong. Drew owns one. I've owned two. It's not like you're playing some ultra-rare guitar that nobody but you has ever seen because you own a UV dude. They're great guitars, but your attitude that the UV is a Ferrari and a 7620 is a Ford Escort by comparison is, point of fact, wrong.

Perhaps you're right. All UV's are hand made by teams of naked swedish bikini midgets, then polished with baby seal fur in a special factory in Germany. 7620's are made in sweatshops in Guatemala by lepers. My mistake.

 

[Stitch]

Goddamn am I glad I own an Rg7420. No bodily fluids except mine.

 

[ibznorange]

Perhaps you're right. All UV's are hand made by teams of naked swedish bikini midgets, then polished with baby seal fur in a special factory in Germany. 7620's are made in sweatshops in Guatemala by lepers. My mistake.

i just bought a 7620...

FUCK
way to ruin my weekend!

no but really, the 7620s are really, really well made, just as nice as any UV i've played. i LOVE the profile on the UVPWH, but thats a preference issue, not a quality issue. Typically, the ibby endorser models get a bit more attention than some of the others, but the 7620s are just as nie

 

[Eric]

You playing them still has nothing to do with the fact there is no "vast" quality difference between them. Whether or not you like the necks better has nothing to do with quality. Whether or not you prefer the fret height has nothing to do with quality. You said that the UV's were of higher quality than 7620's and that Drew's ludicrous to think otherwise because "you play them...............". That's wrong. Drew owns one. I've owned two. It's not like you're playing some ultra-rare guitar that nobody but you has ever seen because you own a UV dude. They're great guitars, but your attitude that the UV is a Ferrari and a 7620 is a Ford Escort by comparison is, point of fact, wrong.

Perhaps you're right. All UV's are hand made by teams of naked swedish bikini midgets, then polished with baby seal fur in a special factory in Germany. 7620's are made in sweatshops in Guatemala by lepers. My mistake.

Despite that fact that twice I have tried to end this rediculous and overly tired argument in a civil way, you still persist to take stabs at me while failing to understand that I don't really care if you think you're right. Never did I say it was some ultra-rare guitar that noone has played except me - so stop shoving words in my mouth. So anyway, by your logic, I'm wrong because having played them is not a relevant argument because you have yourself played them...

See where this is going? No place at all. So what exactly is your problem and why do you continue to beat this horse to death?

I have my opinion, you have yours, it is clear that niether one of us is going to convince the other. We have said all there is to say.

 

[7 Dying Trees]

Well then.

1.) Sell that and add the price to your available cash, and look for a UV in the $950-1100 range, which is much more feasible.

2.) Realize that a 7620 is, unless you REALLY want that middle pickup, really only cosmetically different than an older UV, and arguably a better player, with taller frets and the all-access neck joint giving you improved upper access.

I've really not got on with a single 7620 I've ever played. They've been OK at best. So I think this is a generalisation, but I just don't like them.

First of all I apologize to the poster of this thread for all the cross-talk but since it kinda has already gone nuts, here is my 2 cents. Different strokes for different folks and all, but still, every UV I've had has been superb, and it's about 5 now. Every 7620 I've touced I've just not liked anywhere near as much. Oh, and the same goes for the new Universe, it just isn't that great for me personally.

Old UV's are COMPLETELY different creatures from 7620's, just as 7620's are different to modern 5 piece neck Prestige or JC's. I do however agree, its almost exclusively in the neck in this comparison. After owning several old UV's as well as 7620's, and Modern Ibanez 7's I would say that the creation/finishing (I dont mean clear) of Old UV necks is pretty darn inconsistant, mostly in a good way. The thickness and rounding is pretty different. It almost HAS to be that they were finish sanded by hand to a great degree and/or depth. All four of my old UV's are different in various places on the neck and either more or less rounded on the fingerboard edges. So much, that I actually just bought a digital caliper off Ebay because Im completely curious now. I can understand natural wear from thier age, but the things I see are consistant within each guitar, and make me think each neck carries a little personality or mood of whoever was doing the job that day at the factory. Kinda similar to the whole Fender 50's V-neck thing that people speculate about with guitars from that era and why certain necks are highly cherished over others from the same era.

These are the quirks, that draw me to old UV's and something I do not see in later, more mass-produced models such as the 7620 and later guitars. I also admit, I like the aesthetics more, or why else would I have paid a buttload for the ATD MC. Tone, fit, and finish Ill leave for you guys to hash out, but for me, its all about the necks and thier quirks.

Same here, every single neck has been different, and it's just the feel of them that makes them what they are. I do think they are my favorite 7strings, i keep going back to them over all the others :/

 

[stuh84]

Is this the correct place to say I think UV's are overrated in general?

I've personally never played one I thought was worth its price, given that I've played guitars sold at a third of the cost play 10 times better. Then again, me being the Ibanez neck hater that I am........

 

[Chris]

Despite that fact that twice I have tried to end this rediculous and overly tired argument in a civil way, you still persist to take stabs at me while failing to understand that I don't really care if you think you're right.

It's not that I "fail to understand" anything, or if I "think" I'm right. It's that you are wrong. It's good that you don't care, but it still doesn't make you any less ignorant.

False:

Completely different guitars in every aspect (except similar materials of course).

False, and the materials went from "similar" to "identical", just like that. Magic, I say:

Since you asked me to explain, the craftsmanship that I was referring to was the superiority of the assembly and finishing of the identical materials.

Design? Sure. Cutting CNC in a factory and bolting them together?

more time has been spent in the creation of UVs.

"I'm going to go ahead and say" that here's you being ignorant and defensive from the get-go:

This probably also reflects the vast price difference. Also, since I have owned 5 original UVs and 3 7620s (not to mention playing countless others), I'm going to go ahead and call myself a credible source on this one.

Now, apparently, there's just one master luthier out there whose job is to fret Universes:

Namely, the frets on a UV are put into place much nicer than the frets on the 7620. This is because craftsmanship relates to an artisan or someone who practices their trade with great skill.

This argument is indeed ridiculous. It became that way when you started throwing your opinions around as fact and when you got defensive when Drew corrected you on it.

 

[Chris]

Anyhow, enough of this trainwreck thread.

 

[Drew]

Wow! I'm drowning in Harmony Central vibes! :drowns:

Aw, we killed the poor emo kid.

OH MY GOD, YOU KILLED STITCH! YOU BASTARDS!

If anything, Eric, Eelblack's comments would suggest that there's LESS uniformity in the UV line, and arguably the standard of craftsmanship is lower as quality control is more inconsistant.

I prefer my PWH's neck to the neck on my old 7620, but that was solely due to profile, not poor craftsmanship.