GuitaristOfHell
The Optimist Prime.
Never said I didn't like them, but compared to ESP they're shit, but for the price can't really argue. And I agree if you're happy with have you have that's all that really matters.
LTD...ESP...
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Kamikaze7
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Never said I didn't like them, but compared to ESP they're shit, but for the price can't really argue. And I agree if you're happy with have you have that's all that really matters.
It's true that like anything else, you get what you pay for. But if you spend a little money and hot-rod it yourself you wind up with something you like better than what it was. And thanks for the agree-ance on being happy with what you like. It's all personal preference.
GuitaristOfHell
The Optimist Prime.
That's the beauty of things. Our preferences are all different. I'm happy with my Schecter C-1 Classic and don't give a shit how many people say schecters suck cause mines solid as a rock ( literally it's heavy as hellIt's true that like anything else, you get what you pay for. But if you spend a little money and hot-rod it yourself you wind up with something you like better than what it was. And thanks for the agree-ance on being happy with what you like. It's all personal preference.
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MikeH
Bring the gain
Well this thread was necessary to make. 
Kamikaze7
Banned
That's the beauty of things. Our preferences are all different. I'm happy with my Schecter C-1 Classic and don't give a shit how many people say schecters suck cause mines solid as a rock ( literally it's heavy as hell
I agree and feel the same about my LTD's... Mine are the most solid and durable thing I've ever played. And yes, some of the Schecter's are heavy as all hell too.
Leuchty
Previously CYBERSYN
This has gotten WAAAAAAY off the original question.
I assume people say ESP when they have an LTD because 90% of retailers/distributors call them:
ESP LTD H-1001
Like on Musicians Friend: Buy ESP LTD Deluxe EC-1000 Electric Guitar | Solid Body Electric Guitars | Musician's Friend
I assume people say ESP when they have an LTD because 90% of retailers/distributors call them:
ESP LTD H-1001
Like on Musicians Friend: Buy ESP LTD Deluxe EC-1000 Electric Guitar | Solid Body Electric Guitars | Musician's Friend
to the op its annoying
This ^
Guess I actually need to own an ESP(non-ltd
) to understand how to care that other folks see my guitar as superior to their ESP LTD.We all know what is what in the end.
Gameboypdc
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Hey at least people don't go around saying ESP when really they have a build from Grassroots or Edwards. I understand your frustration, and in all seriousness the builds are not all that different. Perhaps these companies should assign more exclusive designs to specific companies. So when you say I own an ESP, people know what models and builds that brand or branch offers without lookalikes. Yes the headstock answers most of the confusion, and it doesn't help that retail services advertise their products as ESP LTD instead of just LTD. Take Sam Ash online for example, if you were to search thru their solid body guitar category you will see that LTD is not a brand option. Although Squier has a tab of it's own separate from Fender. LTD is still lumped with ESP *sigh*.
CloudAC
Chaz
They are from the same company, they just have a difference in quality, just like Epiphone = Gibson and SE = PRS.
Now if they said it was an ESP instead of an ESP LTD, then theres a problem. If they say ESP LTD, there is no reason to be annoyed, at all. Because it IS an ESP LTD.
Now if they said it was an ESP instead of an ESP LTD, then theres a problem. If they say ESP LTD, there is no reason to be annoyed, at all. Because it IS an ESP LTD.
WickedSymphony
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That isn't really the purpose of having the separate branding under the same company though. Companies make these brands in order to differentiate between their high end models and the more affordable alternatives. Not everyone can go and grab a $4k ESP or Gibson, so they put out the same instrument for a fourth of the price by having it factory produced rather than done in their custom shops (obviously resulting in a lower quality instrument).
agreed, this thread got out of control but i agree with this.
MrMcSick
Derp
Being a fellow ESP owner I too get annoyed with the LTD's being called ESP, especially when searching for info or products.
troyguitar
Well-Known Member
At least they spell the company name correctly.
S-Q-U-I-E-R
As in Billy Squier, not a young man training to be a knight.
E-R
E before R
Squier!
S-Q-U-I-E-R
As in Billy Squier, not a young man training to be a knight.
E-R
E before R
Squier!
Philmorris
Member
Reality is that most of elite esp guitar players wouldn't hear diference betwen esp and ltd if listening with blindfold.
Only time that is anoying is when searching info on esp, you get LTD thrown in.
Only time that is anoying is when searching info on esp, you get LTD thrown in.
splinter8451
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Wow, I legit always saw it as Squire... I always thought of it as that and even saw it like that on guitars
Crazy. I am.
Yes, it annoys me a bit. It has gone to a point where you have to specifically point out you're talking about a real ESP to make things clear, otherwise there's a likely possibility people think you're talking about an LTD.
http://www.sevenstring.org/forum/pi...928-damn-ofr-string-lock-blocks-cracking.html
Like this one for example. The OP says ESP in the first post, but there's still some confusion. This is all thanks to people who misuse the ESP name.
I also find it a bit funny how someone has a ESP Custom Guitars avatar, states in his profile that ESP guitars are the only guitars for him, and all I see are LTD's. Dude, if you ever sell them, please take the ESP logo off and present them the way they are, an LTD and not an ESP. Yes, they have ESP written on the back. No, they're not the same. They're different beasts.
Actually, what's in a name? ESP or LTD? They're just letters. After all, what they sound and play like is what matters, and by those standards, LTD is not an ESP.
http://www.sevenstring.org/forum/pi...928-damn-ofr-string-lock-blocks-cracking.html
Like this one for example. The OP says ESP in the first post, but there's still some confusion. This is all thanks to people who misuse the ESP name.
I also find it a bit funny how someone has a ESP Custom Guitars avatar, states in his profile that ESP guitars are the only guitars for him, and all I see are LTD's. Dude, if you ever sell them, please take the ESP logo off and present them the way they are, an LTD and not an ESP. Yes, they have ESP written on the back. No, they're not the same. They're different beasts.
Actually, what's in a name? ESP or LTD? They're just letters. After all, what they sound and play like is what matters, and by those standards, LTD is not an ESP.
WickedSymphony
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I'd disagree with you there. And what about a blindfolded hands-on test? It'd be ridiculously easy to tell how an ESP blows away LTD by doing that.
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Ibanez Prestige and LACS are damn well in a different league to the indo and korean made line. But they all damn well say Ibanez on the headstock. Because THAT'S THE GOD DAMN BRAND. If ESP has Ltd on their website, and they're all the same shape, then I don't see what the problem with saying ESP Ltd is. I mean, it's just an extra acronym. 
I don't see what the problem with saying ESP Ltd is. I mean, it's just an extra acronym.
That's the thing. If people would say ESP-LTD, cool beans! That's what they are. But somehow some people manage to leave out the LTD and call them ESP, which they aren't.
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