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**Double Post - darn phone must've done it being I was in a poor reception zone**
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LTD is NOT a separate company. To Find LTD guitars, you go to the ESP website, to get an LTD brochure you get an ESP brochure.
LTD's are ESP's, like it or not. End of discussion!
Actually that is not true about Squier, you have to go to "other brands" to get to the Squier models (from the Fender website).
Despite that, it is up to each company how they want to do their business model. ESP choose to use the LTD branding on their lower end guitars. That makes them LTD branded ESP's.
That would be like calling a Prestige Ibanez a Prestige and not an Ibanez. LTD's say ESP on the guitar, it would be no different saying a Prestige is NOT an Ibanez.
Are you going to say that an iPad is not an Apple product as well, because it is NOT made by Apple?
Actually that is not true about Squier, you have to go to "other brands" to get to the Squier models (from the Fender website).
jl-austin said:That makes them LTD branded ESP's.
I really don't feel like reading through all four of these pages to see what's going on, but if your calling your LTD an ESP to feel special, you really shouldn't, because you're not. Not for having an LTD anyways.
No one calls an Epiphone a Gibson and no one calls a Squire a Fender. Cut it out, it's annoying, you make searching for a real ESP difficult, you diminish the meaning of having a real ESP and you look like a noob ass.
Neg rep me all you want, it's not going to turn your LTD into an ESP![]()
Right dude?? Have fun on ebay searching for esp haha. It's the worst, dude.
Sooooo annoying
Sounds like someone is still a bit sore about having an LTD instead of an ESP.
I think this is a ridiculous thread. Lamborghini is owned by VW. If I own a Golf (and I do) I can certainly put Lamborghini branding all over it (but I don't). It's my option. But it's a bit ridiculous to say that since it's the same company they're the same thing.
Modifying a guitar yourself to match specific specs is not the same as buying a high end guitar simply because it's not the guitar maker who made it, therefore you shouldn't use THEIR name. I'm not saying quality, tone, playability, whatever wise will not be as good or even better but you still have no right to pretend its their work.
It's like kids who gets an exhaust and new headers about put "Type R" on their shitty Civic. Come on guys..
But, I'll repeat, it's not bad if you fix it up how you like it. If you know what you're doing it's really not that hard to make it much better than the stock model simply because most stock models are generalized and mass produced. But put YOUR logo on it, don't pretend its theirs.
Come on, how can this even be a real discussion?
^ yesssss
Saw this thread and HAD to post. An LTD is NOT an ESP. I'm sure in 4 pages someone as expressed this sentiment. If you believe it is, you're only kidding yourself. LTD is a budget brand. Manufacturers make these budget brands to spark interest in the minds of those of us with a budget. They do this with hopes of when we do come across or save enough money, that we show a bit of "brand loyalty" and step up the ladder so to speak. LTD's are not bad guitars. I have an H-307, I love it. Would I take a STEF-7 over it...DUH! No contest. With budget guitars, you sacrifice things, quality of wood, quality of electronics, consitency in products. When I say consistency I mean that one LTD can be GOLDEN, but the one that was on the line right after it could be the worst guitar ever made. I'm a huge advocate of budget guitars and buying used, but if someone labeled their LTD an ESP and I bought it, I would kill someone. If someone REBRANDED their LTD to ESP, I can't even think of what I'd do. Probably something along the lines of Gerard Butler circa Law Abiding Citizen.
Sorry for the double post, consider this a PS.
If your justification for calling an LTD an ESP is "they're made by the same company, they're basically the same guitar," then what's your problem with calling it an LTD? Why not buy an ESP adn call it an LTD?
LTD is NOT a separate company. To Find LTD guitars, you go to the ESP website, to get an LTD brochure you get an ESP brochure.
LTD's are ESP's, like it or not. End of discussion!
I think the best thing the mods could do is close and lock up this thread, because this will always go on and people will always argue this... And if you can't distinguish an ESP from an LTD then maybe you should brush up on which is which before you get all pissed off about it... Anyone who knows the ESP OR the LTD product lines well enough will know which is which - regardless of an ESP decal on the headstock or not...
And again, it's still an ESP no matter how you look at it... See additional comments below...
And obviously an LTD is NOT the same guitar as an actual ESP, anybody with hint of common sense knows that...
See additional comments below...
... And if you can't distinguish an ESP from an LTD then maybe you should brush up on which is which before you get all pissed off about it... Anyone who knows the ESP OR the LTD product lines well enough will know which is which - regardless of an ESP decal on the headstock or not...
Why do people always feel necessary when they are posting gear in FS threads and NGDs to say they got an ESP when really they got an LTD. This has always been an annoyance of me, anyone else feel the same?!?![]()
- ...If you mod a guitar yourself it's not ESPs work so it's not an ESP.
- ...Shouldn't you be proud you did all the mods yourself and not ESP? Why give them the credit?
-... Why do you care so much to call them ESPs? Do you think people will down on you if you have "only" an LTD?
lol now I got dinged?
We all know the differences between the LTD's and the ESP's. And we also all know that whether it's cars guitars or anything else - stock sucks! If some of us HAD the $5K or more to spend on a Custom Shop guitar, we would and wouldn't be arguing this
I guess I must be bashing people without money with my comments of not stealing brands.. ?!? .. I guess you can't escape people with idiotic and juvenile mindsets of "the bad man said something I didn't like so I'll make him pay"..