He doesn't seem to own anythg guitar design related.
Owning shapes is sort of difficult, giant guitar brands can barely do it.
Not sure who started that rumor.
Mustaine left Dean and went to Gibson/Epiphone/Kramer
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He doesn't seem to own anythg guitar design related.
Owning shapes is sort of difficult, giant guitar brands can barely do it.
Not sure who started that rumor.
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Probably it started with the Abasi Ibanez where someone claimed Abasi owned the shape and not Ibanez. But my guess is anyone who would want to could make that shape.He doesn't seem to own anythg guitar design related.
Owning shapes is sort of difficult, giant guitar brands can barely do it.
Not sure who started that rumor.
HeHasTheJazzHands
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When Mustaine left ESP, he claimed he took his designs with him.
https://forum.seymourduncan.com/for...337-dave-mustaine-dropped-the-esp-endorsement
It's also interesting going back and seeing this press release. It seems like he always intended on redoing the roundhorn.
https://forum.seymourduncan.com/for...337-dave-mustaine-dropped-the-esp-endorsement
It's also interesting going back and seeing this press release. It seems like he always intended on redoing the roundhorn.
There's a difference between a somewhat unique* shape and a very derivitive V and psudeo-Explorer.
*Not debating the Abasi shape, that's been well beaten to death.
Kobalt
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The only design he potentially has rights on would be his ESP Axxion, which was........interesting, to say the least, and doubt anyone would take away from him regardless.
HeHasTheJazzHands
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The only design he potentially has rights on would be his ESP Axxion, which was........interesting, to say the least, and doubt anyone would take away from him regardless.
Mustaine: Im leaving and I'm taking my Axxion with me!!!!
ESP:
Read it again. Very careful word choice used. He probably owns* very small, mostly aesthetic flourishes, which is how this usually works.
*Because he owns it in some way doesn't mean he own owns it. It would have to hold its ground if challenged.
HeHasTheJazzHands
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I'm not saying he owned it. He obviously didn't own anything since ESP still makes the V. I'm saying that's probably how the rumor started because he's been down this road before.
You'd think at this point folks would take everything he says with some perspective.
manu80
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The Black one is satin ?Nooooooooo !!!
MrBouleDeBowling
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Ngl those new Dean V's look amazing. I want the black one
soul_lip_mike
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So when will we find out pricing for these? Where would the Kramer be built you think?
hanzzen
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Isn't the Kramer going to be built in the Gibson factory? I think I saw that they used the #MadeInUSA tag when posting about it on Instagram.
There hasn't been USA made Kramers in ages... like a 3 decades actually. Even in the MusicYo era there were no USA made Kramers...
I don't know. I don't expect a USA Kramer nowadays BUT if Dave is making this happen then he will earn the love of a lot of people (not me, I don't fucking care about MIA, MII, MIC, MIJ...)
They did do some USA stuff in the late 90's from mostly leftover NJ stock. But not much.
The last time they were consistently made in USA was late 86', maybe into 87' depending on whose recollection you trust more.
That said, this would be a good time to revive the marquee if so. I don't think they'll do it either, but it's not like they don't have the manufacturing ability.
So at least 30 years except for some oddballs made from NJ leftovers... Yeah, that sounds right
Kramer i great brand, a big name, I like it. I wanted so hard to have Vanguard back in the day and when I finally got it I didn't like it... Sad story, I know.
But the new Nightswans are interesting as some others like the Barettas. I wouldn't mind a Mustaine V actually, is beautiful, but I not going to pay USA prices anyway but I would be very happy if Kramer star having USA models again because the brand deserve it. Iconic.
Kramer i great brand, a big name, I like it. I wanted so hard to have Vanguard back in the day and when I finally got it I didn't like it... Sad story, I know.
But the new Nightswans are interesting as some others like the Barettas. I wouldn't mind a Mustaine V actually, is beautiful, but I not going to pay USA prices anyway but I would be very happy if Kramer star having USA models again because the brand deserve it. Iconic.
mmr007
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So....ive never actually seen an Axxion before just now (i dont really follow Mustaine or Megadeth). Wow. Ugly. I know ESP custom shop can make some fuck ugly guitars that look like a shredded beef taco or a slice of pepperoni pizza but those I viewed as gimmick guitars...that one was free to make a guitar as ugly as your wallet would allow but now I have a homework assignment to see how something this ugly got made. Lemme just type “axxion” into the search and...
There were some 2020 NAMM Kramer guitars that the MusicZoo was selling for around 5K with custom paint jobs. The certificate for the 84 states they're "USA assembled."
