angus
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I have a guitar tuned with a high A at 26" with a .007. I use the same string for an E a fifth below (standard guitar E) on a 35" scale bass.
Works fine.
Works fine.
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Well a High A sir will certainly work better on a 26" scale guitar than an Low F#.
As for the gauges on this guitar are as follows .007 - .059 the .007 I have seems to hold a High A pretty well.
I would still like to try your strings out as we spoke on the phone before I went to NAMM and we should finish the conversation in the future and try some of your on these as well. Since I have a couple people requesting 8 strings with a High A.
I was curious what brand .007 strings were working well at 26" tuned to A440. I would like to buy some. I was asking what make 26" a better scale with regards to the high A string.
thanks
I have a guitar tuned with a high A at 26" with a .007. I use the same string for an E a fifth below (standard guitar E) on a 35" scale bass.
Works fine.
Problem with most .007" and .008"s is that they are crumby and break when tuned to E-330.
I've used D'Addario and Ernie Ball .008"s to tune to high G without problems.
Most importantly, think of a steel guitar! A pedal steel guitar at 26" scale uses an .011" for a high G# that bends to high A-440 with the use of a pedal. Although the tension is much too high to play on a fretted instrument, the strings do not break. If an .007" string is breaking on a 25.5" instrument at high-A, it's just a low-quality string.
I've checked out Garry Goodman's strings and they hold their tension very well, although the strings he sent me seemed to be of a higher density and thus a little tighter than I expected.
Problem with most .007" and .008"s is that they are crumby and break when tuned to E-330.
I've used .008"s to tune to high G without problems.
Most importantly, think of a steel guitar! A pedal steel guitar at 26" scale uses an .011" for a high G# that bends to high A-440 with the use of a pedal. Although the tension is much too high to play on a fretted instrument, the strings do not break. If an .007" string is breaking on a 25.5" instrument at high-A, it's just a low-quality string.
I've checked out Garry Goodman's strings and they hold their tension very well, although the strings he sent me seemed to be of a higher density and thus a little tighter than I expected.
I beleve you. So what brand and gauge is the string ?
I've used even 012 string and tune it to high G at 25,5, but with 007 or 008 I can tune even much higher. But it's really hard to find good quality 007 or 008 string. I agree with that. I've newer checked Garry's strings, maybe in the future. The problem isn't can we tune avaliable 007 and 008 strings to high A, but how long they will stay and won't break. Another problem is highly increased tension when we tune to high A at 25,5 or even longer scales. Garry Goodman told at SS.org that we have 009 strings which can be tune to A440HZ at 25,5 scale. Using D'Addario Tension Chart the tension is about 23,38 LBS. It's look to much. But we have to think about different feel using different gauges. As I told I used 012 tune to high A - tension is about 33lbs. It was fine to me. But with 009 tune to high G or higher I fell not so comfortable for my fingers, because sting is thinner and has more tension.
I buy them from Conklin- the 0.007 SIT-made string. I'm a bass player, but I've found that using the bass ball-end reduces breakage by an enormous amount on a guitar because there is significantly less bending stress in the string with a larger diameter ball-end.
I think I've only broken 1, ever, and it was on the 35" bass tuned to E, where it broke at the tuner end caused by a stress concentration at a kink where it met the locking tuner. A friend was going to borrow it and was restringing it and didn't wrap the string around the Sperzel a few times before putting it lock bore.
Gary I told you before when I spoke to you on the telephone that the current ones I was using were from SIT and I also got some sample packages from a Korean String factory as well.
Anyway that being besides the point. I did not want this thread to end up on strings. Golly geeze, I was just offering an 8 string prototype for sale to someone who was interested.
I am sure your strings are KICK FUCKING ASS I have never stated otherwise and by all means I would love to try them as I said before. We have even spoke about it as I was leaving for Austin Texas for the NAMM show. I would liek to try yours out and purchase some as I said previously.
I have such a hard time understanding why this forum always takes one t hing and makes it take over the topic in question.
If you are so curious about strings post a thread about it. I mean it seams to me you already know everything about them.
Thanks for this post. Just how much higher can you tune past G with the
.007 and .008 strings you mention and what brand are they? As Halo is offereing these new guitars, some have expressed interest in having the high A string option. So can a plain old E string tune up and work just fine as a functioning A440 string at 25.5" like "Angus" claims?? If so, which string? Are you saying you tune to A440 with an .012? Can you share with all of us what brand so we can go out and buy some and tune it right up to A440?
" Garry Goodman told at SS.org that we have 009 strings which can be tune to A440HZ at 25,5 scale. Using D'Addario Tension Chart the tension is about 23,38 LBS. It's look to much. "
The Octave4Plus .009 has a 33 lbs. break in pounds. It will tune to A440 at 29" and still can bend. That tension chart does not apply.
I will make a video clip shortly and post a link.
I have those strings, they are the same as the La Bella .007 as they buy the wire from the same place. You tune this wire to A440 at 26"?
Yes sir, I've never had a problem with it yet. It lasts and can be bent after break-in, though admittedly I do not bend much nor do I have a hard picking style by any means as I'm a jazz player. But, I've not had any troubles.
Everybody: I don't care if anyone ever buys any strings from me. I make these strings for me, to put on my 8 and 9 octave guitars.
I sell strings to those who desire to expand their guitar concepts as a courtesy.
Waylon, I'll buy your guitar from you on Monday(only if it is shipped with a perfectly good, working A440 string,of course) so my intrusion here won't be a total disaster to you and this thread.
Angus:
Would you mind taking a digital photo of the ball-end side of your S.I.T. .007 string and posting it on here?
Both Al Caldwell and I have had problems with the S.I.T. .007 breaking and popping of the ball end at the 34" when tuned to Eb4. E4 at 35" was out of the question.The tensile strength of the S.I.T. .007 was 397,000 p.s.i. IIRC and couldn't reach A440 at 26".
Before this post ( note the date): 40 " .007 - TalkBass Forums
S.I.T. didn't sell .007 strings for the bass scale with bass ball ends. I asked them to make some for my Adler 11-string bass in 2004.
As you can see by the number of replies I got, this was really something people were interested in.
Everybody: I don't care if anyone ever buys any strings from me. I make these strings for me, to put on my 8 and 9 octave guitars.
I sell strings to those who desire to expand their guitar concepts as a courtesy.
Gary I look forward to your call today. As I would like to to talk more about trying out your High A strings.
It was good speaking with you and I look forward to playing your 8 string protoype.