New Strandberg. 5 string Guitar

[ArtDecade]

Dude is a killer musician.

 

[Fred the Shred]

But it's just kind of funny to me how we guitarists get in an uproar over something that's "different". I figured we, as 7-string guitarists, would have more of an open mind for "different" instruments.

If you don't like the guy or his music, I guess that's different. I don't know who he is and never sought out his music.

I don't think anyone is exactly "in an uproar" about it in the slightest. Thing is that this sort of thing has been attempted more than once in the past, from the infamous Pentatone stuff to Schecters, always tuned in fifths and aiming for different markets, so it's quite funny to see the hyperbolic marketing language applied here like "gamechanger" and attempting to use Collier's current appeal to push this as this sort of never attempted thing on the guitar market. Naturally, one goes to check it out and it's basically a non-baritone take on the 5ths tuned 5-string guitars that were around before, hence my jokes about it.

I'm not a fan of his music, but I respect his approach and passion and I find him quite entertaining, so no "hate" for Collier here. I'm just very tired, as I'm sure many people are, of these blatantly hyperbolic claims marketing departments LOVE to come up with, which are the equivalent of the "you won't BELIEVE what this SIMPLE TRICK sounds like" tropes on video titles for the press.

The product itself is not what would appeal to me in the .strandberg* catalogue, as I have fiddled with all 5ths tunings before and I didn't quite gel with that myself, but if someone digs the concept, great. I do hope MikeH is completely wrong with his prediction, though.

 

[NotDonVito]

How do you manage to rip off Alex Gregory of all people

Also I see Guitar World is still in peak dickriding/clickbait form

I legitimately thought the MAESTRO had some patent for this shit in the US or something.. that or nobody thought 5 string guitars were commercially viable since the cello blaster. I think the idea of a 5 string is cool, but not strandberg price tag cool.

Also I've never heard of this player, but as soon as I saw him I knew SSO dudes were gonna hate him cause he's young/good looking, the Tim Henson effect. Like what's the psychological link in metal guitar players thinking you're cool and being 40+ year old caveman. Like if this was the strandberg Sammy Duet signature 5 string, it would be weird, but people wouldn't be as nasty towards the player.

 

[Fred the Shred]

Wait... people hate Tim Henson or Jacob Collier here?

 

[ArtDecade]

Also I've never heard of this player, but as soon as I saw him I knew SSO dudes were gonna hate him cause he's young/good looking, the Tim Henson effect.

That is such a weird takeaway that I think it says a lot more about you than it does the forum.

 

[Rubbishplayer]

I really, really don't understand people getting their panties in a bunch about this. It's just like some bands - if you don't like their music, don't listen.

If you don't like this 5-string, don't buy it.

They sell a 6-string version. Looking at the Strandberg site, it's $2995.

For me, that's a bit too much so I won't be buying it (6-string version). But I do like the colors, the inlays, etc. It's different than the normal Strandbergs.

But it's just kind of funny to me how we guitarists get in an uproar over something that's "different". I figured we, as 7-string guitarists, would have more of an open mind for "different" instruments.

If you don't like the guy or his music, I guess that's different. I don't know who he is and never sought out his music.

Nobody is in an "uproar"....chill!

 

[Rubbishplayer]

I don't think anyone is exactly "in an uproar" about it in the slightest. Thing is that this sort of thing has been attempted more than once in the past, from the infamous Pentatone stuff to Schecters, always tuned in fifths and aiming for different markets, so it's quite funny to see the hyperbolic marketing language applied here like "gamechanger" and attempting to use Collier's current appeal to push this as this sort of never attempted thing on the guitar market. Naturally, one goes to check it out and it's basically a non-baritone take on the 5ths tuned 5-string guitars that were around before, hence my jokes about it.

I'm not a fan of his music, but I respect his approach and passion and I find him quite entertaining, so no "hate" for Collier here. I'm just very tired, as I'm sure many people are, of these blatantly hyperbolic claims marketing departments LOVE to come up with, which are the equivalent of the "you won't BELIEVE what this SIMPLE TRICK sounds like" tropes on video titles for the press.

The product itself is not what would appeal to me in the .strandberg* catalogue, as I have fiddled with all 5ths tunings before and I didn't quite gel with that myself, but if someone digs the concept, great. I do hope MikeH is completely wrong with his prediction, though.

This exactly.

The only difference between @Fred the Shred's and my opinion? I couldn't be arsed to explain it.

Thanks Fred.

 

[HeHasTheJazzHands]

I don't think anyone is exactly "in an uproar" about it in the slightest. Thing is that this sort of thing has been attempted more than once in the past, from the infamous Pentatone stuff to Schecters, always tuned in fifths and aiming for different markets, so it's quite funny to see the hyperbolic marketing language applied here like "gamechanger" and attempting to use Collier's current appeal to push this as this sort of never attempted thing on the guitar market. Naturally, one goes to check it out and it's basically a non-baritone take on the 5ths tuned 5-string guitars that were around before, hence my jokes about it.

I'm not a fan of his music, but I respect his approach and passion and I find him quite entertaining, so no "hate" for Collier here. I'm just very tired, as I'm sure many people are, of these blatantly hyperbolic claims marketing departments LOVE to come up with, which are the equivalent of the "you won't BELIEVE what this SIMPLE TRICK sounds like" tropes on video titles for the press.

The product itself is not what would appeal to me in the .strandberg* catalogue, as I have fiddled with all 5ths tunings before and I didn't quite gel with that myself, but if someone digs the concept, great. I do hope MikeH is completely wrong with his prediction, though.

Pretty much nailed it. I don't even know who the guy is, I just think the marketing is hilarious and the article from Guitar World sounds like Ola hired a PR guy to write it lol.

It does remind me that I've also never seen the Celloblasters used their intended way. Either as a baritone tuned down to drop tunings without the high E, or Clawfinger's weird GGGDG tuning.

 

[SalsaWood]

Also I've never heard of this player, but as soon as I saw him I knew SSO dudes were gonna hate him cause he's young/good looking, the Tim Henson effect.

I'm the hottest guy here by miles and everyone loves me.

 

[Moongrum]

There's a few more and some even include Steve Vai.

I can understand the hate towards Collier. I have tremendous respect for him, certainly give him credit for actually making music, touring, getting guys like Quincy Jones and Steve Vai on his side, rather than just a barrage of throwaway 'content'. And I genuinely like his music, it is charming seeing a young guy treat music like a massive playground. But I don't love it. Since he takes the maximalist method when it comes to writing and arranging it gets fatiguing to listen to. If reharmonising was like a picture, Collier is like the guy who starts drawing and doesn't stop and goes on some more; like how most Warhammer 40k or Image comics in the 90s overdesign their characters. It's too much information and gets old quickly even to guys who love dense music, similar to how free jazz can be unlistenable to most.

Yeah, everyone here is just a curmudgeon, and piling on at this point. There's a lot to make fun of/tease Jacob Collier about, but I'm not even sure where some of the criticisms itt are coming from lol.

 

[PerfectCandor]

I really, really don't understand people getting their panties in a bunch about this. It's just like some bands - if you don't like their music, don't listen.

If you don't like this 5-string, don't buy it.

They sell a 6-string version. Looking at the Strandberg site, it's $2995.

For me, that's a bit too much so I won't be buying it (6-string version). But I do like the colors, the inlays, etc. It's different than the normal Strandbergs.

But it's just kind of funny to me how we guitarists get in an uproar over something that's "different". I figured we, as 7-string guitarists, would have more of an open mind for "different" instruments.

If you don't like the guy or his music, I guess that's different. I don't know who he is and never sought out his music.

I feel like people don't take this view enough... It's like if I was complaining about a new ukulele release. It wasn't made for you, you aren't close to the target demographic, it seems like every bit of keyboard warrioring and unreasonable anger comes from seeing things on the internet and thinking everything must be made for *me specifically and I am the most important so everyone must hear my opinion regardless of what I do or don't have to do with the topic*.

There are about a million other threads on just this site any member could probably contribute to with something useful they know of or relate to instead.

 

[Hollowway]

I feel like people don't take this view enough... It's like if I was complaining about a new ukulele release. It wasn't made for you, you aren't close to the target demographic, it seems like every bit of keyboard warrioring and unreasonable anger comes from seeing things on the internet and thinking everything must be made for *me specifically and I am the most important so everyone must hear my opinion regardless of what I do or don't have to do with the topic*.

There are about a million other threads on just this site any member could probably contribute to with something useful they know of or relate to instead.

Yeah, I don’t think people are really complaining about this as much as just having fun. It’s like when your friend that always wears t shirts rolls up in a dress shirt with a tie. You just HAVE to give him shit for it for like a week afterwards. Not because you hate dress shirts or your friend, but because it’s something different, and it’s how friends kill time and bond.

I have zero problem with this guitar. But 5 strings? Yeah, I’m gonna make fun of that, because it’s the unexpected look for our old ERG friend strandberg.

 

[HeHasTheJazzHands]

Yeah, everyone here is just a curmudgeon, and piling on at this point. There's a lot to make fun of/tease Jacob Collier about, but I'm not even sure where some of the criticisms itt are coming from lol.

Idk anything about the dude, I think the guitar sucks lol

 

[KnightBrolaire]

I legitimately thought the MAESTRO had some patent for this shit in the US or something.. that or nobody thought 5 string guitars were commercially viable since the cello blaster. I think the idea of a 5 string is cool, but not strandberg price tag cool.

Also I've never heard of this player, but as soon as I saw him I knew SSO dudes were gonna hate him cause he's young/good looking, the Tim Henson effect. Like what's the psychological link in metal guitar players thinking you're cool and being 40+ year old caveman. Like if this was the strandberg Sammy Duet signature 5 string, it would be weird, but people wouldn't be as nasty towards the player.

Ah yes, we hate pretty people. Or perhaps it's that both of them ooze arrogance and douchiness. I respect the hell out of Henson as a player but I can't say I enjoy anything Polyphia have made since their stuff like 40 oz or Aviator.

Collier is a pretentious twat that made having perfect pitch his whole schtick. While I can appreciate his skill/knowledge, his music is genuinely awful, and I say that as someone that mostly enjoys jazz.

3k for an Indonesian guitar is absolute dipshittery, let alone one with 5 strings that steals 90s nintendo64 controller aesthetics. It's also insane to put out a guitar sig for a guy who mostly plays piano imo.

 

[Moongrum]

Idk anything about the dude, I think the guitar sucks lol

I have no problem with this take in particular

I'm also re-reading the thread (ugh), and I think I mistook people saying his music is unlistenable with it meaning it's too complex/masturbatory because people keep giving him kudos for his music knowledge. My mistake. Saying his music is not good/enjoyable is valid. One of the best criticisms I read was a YouTube comment saying his music sounds like 3 Target commercials playing at once

 

[Surveyor 777]

Sorry if I came across as being too uppity or upset about this in my previous post. Mainly I was thinking - it's not for me so I'm going to ignore it. I should have realized that everyone has their right to have an opinion about this and are allowed to vent/express their opinion.

 

[JaxoBuzzo]

Since you're based in London, I'm assuming you're probably sick of hearing about the guy and can't stand him out of spite.

lol I'm in the US and I'm tired of hearing about him.

Getting a signature guitar used to mean something and it's really sad that now it, too, is based on followers or likes, but alas I guess that's just corporate marketing. I will say that Jacob Collier is super talented, but I find it obnoxious that he acts like he is the only person on the planet that experiences perfect pitch. I don't have it, but it's still annoying.

 

[ArtDecade]

Getting a signature guitar used to mean something and it's really sad that now it, too, is based on followers or likes, but alas I guess that's just corporate marketing.

News Flash: Signature guitars have always been about corporate marketing. It has nothing to do with talent and everything to do with moving product. See: Schecter Machine Gun Kelly

 

[HeHasTheJazzHands]

News Flash: Signature guitars have always been about corporate marketing. It has nothing to do with talent and everything to do with moving product. See: Schecter Machine Gun Kelly

Yeah look at all the sig stuff Eric Clapton gets

 

[Alberto7]

Yeah signature guitars are just promo material, and that's pretty much it. It just happens to be cool for some artists, (Petrucci, Laiho, Vai, etc.) and not so cool for others. (This one) Sometimes it's just confusing, like a Slash signature Les Paul. It is a signature of a signature, but it is not really different from any other Les Paul signature, so why does this exist other than to serve as promo material?