Nothing or Obzen
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Wookieslayer
OOOAAARWWWRR
Dude Lethargica is one of the best songs imo, it was so heavy live when they slowed the end down, crushing!
hypermagic
Fusion Neophyte
It'd be Nothing for me if not for Electric Red. Such a fucking huge awesome groove to that song.
Scar Symmetry
Ex Whiny Bitch
I think it's unanimous that Catch 33 should've been an option 
easy choice for me.
i have picked up every meshuggah album on the release day since DEI and Nothing is the only album i was dissappointed with on the first spin.
ObZen on the other hand is the album they should've released straight after Chaosphere and kept goin in that direction
i have picked up every meshuggah album on the release day since DEI and Nothing is the only album i was dissappointed with on the first spin.
ObZen on the other hand is the album they should've released straight after Chaosphere and kept goin in that direction
Scar Symmetry
Ex Whiny Bitch
I don't see how they could've released Obzen after Chaosphere considering Nothing was the album where they 'branched out'. They couldn't of released Obzen any sooner than it was released, it's a sound of a band refined and matured.
it wasn't a 'could', it was a 'should' 
its all wishing, naturally you can see alot of maturity in an album released some 10 years after the other, that wasn't the point
i think Nothing is ok and Catch 33 is great. i just prefer what i feel Chaosphere and ObZen has in common and i think that is Meshuggah at their best.
its all wishing, naturally you can see alot of maturity in an album released some 10 years after the other, that wasn't the point i think Nothing is ok and Catch 33 is great. i just prefer what i feel Chaosphere and ObZen has in common and i think that is Meshuggah at their best.
Scar Symmetry
Ex Whiny Bitch
I got ya dude
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The funny thing is I was disappointed too my first listen or so. Guess I was so used to the DEI and Chaos sound..But now I love it! (circa a few years ago)
cycloptopus
Well-Known Member
This is important as to why I like Obzen. In my opinion, Nothing represents how Meshuggah pushes themselves into new territory. Just like Chaosphere pushed them into a more radical version of themselves compared to DEI. Catch 33, to me, comes across as a kind of concept album based on the style of Nothing. I believe Obzen is a synthesis of all of their styles wrapped into one album and kind of ties it all together while pushing into new territory.
One negative thing that people I know tend to say about Meshuggah is that all the songs sound the same. I can agree with that based on listening to any one album, but they have pushed into new territory from album to album. I think with Obzen, they wind up changing up thier style from song to song and that is just another example of them pushing themselves to be better.
Scar Symmetry
Ex Whiny Bitch
I don't agree with the every song sounds the same thing.
On Catch 33 yeah maybe, but that's because themes reoccur and it's not really divided properly into different songs. I personally think that the songs on Nothing and Obzen are substantially different to each other.
On Catch 33 yeah maybe, but that's because themes reoccur and it's not really divided properly into different songs. I personally think that the songs on Nothing and Obzen are substantially different to each other.
cycloptopus
Well-Known Member
I really don't either, but I can see why someone who isn't into Meshuggah as much as me (or..really...us here on this forum) would say that. I think Obzen is thier most blatant example of diversity between songs.
MikeH
Bring the gain
Personally I like ObZen better, but mostly just because I haven't really listened to Nothing much. Also quite fond of DEI.
John_Strychnine
I Was Once Groove.
Nothing - Not the rerelease, the feel of the original cannot be beat, its soooooo groovey.
I really like how Raw the Original Nothing was, and it will probably remain in my top 5 albums of all time.
I like Obzen, but unlike Nothing, i find myself itching to change to another album about half way through :\. Nothing is more diverse in the song writing, in my opinion of course.
Obzen isn't all that far behind though.
I really like how Raw the Original Nothing was, and it will probably remain in my top 5 albums of all time.
I like Obzen, but unlike Nothing, i find myself itching to change to another album about half way through :\. Nothing is more diverse in the song writing, in my opinion of course.
Obzen isn't all that far behind though.
Tybanez
Well-Known Member
Love `em both but gotta go with ObZen.
brahminlead
Active Member
Nothing has some great tracks, but Pravus, Bleed, Pineal Gland Optics and the production won me over. I love both though.
Scar Symmetry
Ex Whiny Bitch
jymellis
Talk To DeWalt
chaosphere for me.
I just find that on Nothing, a lot of the riffs like Rational Gaze or whatever I have ended up being very familiar with without having any idea what time signature or whatever they're in (I know it's all 4/4 etc but you know what I mean), because they've got a groove to them. I have heard that they actually wrote a lot of the riffs without thinking about doing something technical, they just have a weird sense of groove. On ObZen though, it really felt to me like a lot of it was constructed mathematically. The prime example is the outro to Pineal Gland Optics. It's got this odd timing thing where they hit the high note and the snare once, once, twice, once three times, and so on. That riff in particular actually wound me up because it's like they're screaming at you look, we are doing something mathematical here! and I just don't care because it's not an interesting riff and the mathematical nature of it doesn't create a groove or anything that I find interesting. Maybe that's not their intention but that's how it feels to me....
