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He's far more pirate lookin'. Arr.
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He's far more pirate lookin'. Arr.
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Jordan's characters are predictable, 1-dimensional, and cookie cutter.Chris said:Neg. Wheel of Time > SOIAF.
Both kick ass, but I liked WoT better. The "problem" with WoT is that by book 10, it's about 25 complete stories going at once and a lot of people just can't keep track. Hell, book 11 is out, I haven't read it, and I KNOW that I have to start from scratch again to get caught up with everything.
Not to knock Martin, because his work is excellent, but I don't think he's far more anything than Jordan.
The Dark Wolf said:Jordan's characters are predictable, 1-dimensional, and cookie cutter.
*Sniff*
*argue*
*Sniff*
His storytelling, when not OBSCENELY bloated, is pretty decent. But how many times, ask yourself, have you read the line... "Light! Women!" over, and over again. Men don't understand women. Women don't understand men. Bleah.
With Martin, his characters at least feel believable.
Neg denied.![]()
Drew said:Jordan is the classic example of an author who REALLY could have been served by a good editor. See also the difference between the first and fourth Harry Potter book.
That said, the first novel absolutely kicked ass. I'll re-read all 17 when he finally finishes the series, but until then it'd just be too frustrating.
The Dark Wolf said:With Martin, his characters at least feel believable.
Chris said:As a side note, I couldn't get through HP4. Bought the fucking hardcover too.
Drew said:Didn't even try, the first three were cute (like reading Roald Dahl all over again for the first time), but I never felt the need to keep going.
I think you see what I'm getting at, though? The difference between the efficient, concise plot development of the first and the bloated behemoth rambling you see by #3?![]()
Denial of neg reinstated. I clearly have good taste.Chris said:Well, since men who can channel vs women who can channel is like.. The foundation of the storyline, it makes sense that it carries through the book.
I don't know how you can call characters like Mat, Avhienda, Lan (though he kind of pussies out halfway through) and Rand one dimensional. To each their own I guess. You clearly lack the immense intellectual capacity that I have to keep up with Jordan's ever-evolving plotlines.
(fuck, I just sounded like Drew)
Denial of Neg denied.![]()
Disclaimers are unnecessary, cock monkey! I have you and Chris' number, beotches.Drew said:Anyway, we're just involved in some serious ball-busting here.![]()
The Dark Wolf said:Disclaimers are unnecessary, cock monkey! I have you and Chris' number, beothes.
Thanks fot eh ehads up on the reads. After I check out this Necroscope stuff, and TRY to cram that Infinite Joke down my gullet, I'll give 'em a whirl.
Faile argues fucking CONSTANTLY with Perrin.
Drew said:Um, fuck. Robb, not Jon.but yeah, Ned wasn't really a shock either - part of it was you'd prepared me for the expectation of the unexpected, but between Ned and Jon getting to know each other on the Wall as something other than the bastard child of the other and the implications of that, or the 13-year-old brat simply saying "off with his head!" I figured the later was a safe bet.
Anyway, we're just involved in some serious ball-busting here.You want fucked up plot twists? Grab Thomas Pynchon's "Gravity's Rainbow." You want deep characters? Try Charles Johnson's "Oxherding Tale." You want a good yarn where people cut off each other's head, fight undead, and blow shit up? Grab any of these.
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Mat and Perrin (my personal favorite. Minus his pussy-whippedness, he's 90% me), and probably Thom, make the series for me.Chris said:Without drudging it on, I've wanted Faile to die all along.
Mat rules though. Don't be hatin' on my gamblin', drinkin' bretheren.![]()
The Dark Wolf said:Mat and Perrin (my personal favorite. Minus his pussy-whippedness, he's 90% me), and probably Thom, make the series for me.And maybe Loial. Without those characters, though, man, the series would fall pretty flat.
You shall read book 11. It owns the last 5 or 6 (!) handily, like Rand owning a Forsaken. Mucho plot development, and Mat's storyline with Tuon (minus the constant one-upmanship *sigh* ) is very rewarding.