Ormsby Freak

[Moonstruck]

Hey everyone, Just joined up. I live in Perth Australia and have been addicted to guitar and gear for the best part of 15 years now. I have personally owned over 100 guitars, 50 amps and mayn various pieces of music related equipment.

My occupation is mostly repairing and servicing guitars aswell as making pickups.

I have owned and played many of the top name brands of guitars such as Gibson Customshop, Fender Customshop, PRS Private Stock, Jackson USA, Ibanez Prestige on top of making the most of my endorsements with ESP and Schecter guitars, and since discovering the brilliance of Perry Ormsby (of Ormsby guitars) I am yet to find a better luthier. I currently own 6 of his instruments and each instruments he makes is unique.

Playing 7 string guitars, I have always felt like I was compromising, either the muddiness of the low end or the difficulty when soloing. The Ormsby Multiscale guitars fix this problem perfectly.

Cheers all. Look forward to chatting to you and sharing some experiences.

 

[Apophis]

 

[hufschmid]

 

[Thrashmanzac]

pics of the orsmbys!

 

[Harry]

 

[Pingu]

Welcome. I'd like to see what you got.

 

[vontetzianos]

 

[TimSE]

altho i havnt played one im an ormsby fan

i really liked the youtube vids they did for the 6string multiscale progress build they did
really wicked

must have pics of what you got

 

[Mattmc74]

Welcome to the forum!

 

[Bloody_Inferno]

to the forum.


And I wouldn't mind seeing those lovely Ormsby's of yours.

 

[renzoip]

and +1 for pics!!

 

[El Caco]

I think Perry is a knob and would not consider giving him 5c but welcome anyway

 

[Moonstruck]

I think Perry is a knob and would not consider giving him 5c but welcome anyway

Perry is the most genuine person in the industry and is the easiest person to talk to and deal with, I suggest that whatever has given you this view of Perry must be some kind of missunderstanding, because he teats all of his customers with the utmost courtisy and fully informs them of all the facts before proceeding with any form of business.

If you have any unresolved issue with him I'm sure he would be more than happy to clear the matter up.

 

[Thrashmanzac]

holy shit they are nice!
first one aint my cup of tea, but dam!
that multiscale seven is to die for!

 

[Jerich]

perry is a great visionary... I like his Jackson/esp like guitars I know Graham Greene and his guitars are stellar in quality!!
He is a great guitar player not many people on the mainlands have heard..but trust me he is a great guitar player....we would love to see some of your guitars...as i start to drool right now!!!





MySpace.com - ORMSBY GUITARS - 34 - Male - - www.myspace.com/rhoads56

 

[HappySinner]

Hi guys,

I've only just found this thread - sorry I'm late.
Jerich, you're too kind, mate. The money's on the fridge.
I've been playing Ormsbys since 2005, when Perry built me two beautiful guitars - a six and a seven. He's since made me another six string, and you'll find pics of them on the Equipment page of my website and in an album on my MySpace page. In the MySpace pics you will also find some live shots of Moonstruck's MS7, as he was warm and wonderful enough to lend it to me when I was a guitar short for a gig. Enjoy the guitar porn, and feel free to drop me a message here or on MySpace if you have any comments or questions.

If you would like to watch some footage of my Ormsby GG6 in action, there's some footage of a recent gig on YouTube here and here.

Peace. Nice to meet you all.

 

[El Caco]

Perry is the most genuine person in the industry and is the easiest person to talk to and deal with, I suggest that whatever has given you this view of Perry must be some kind of missunderstanding, because he teats all of his customers with the utmost courtisy and fully informs them of all the facts before proceeding with any form of business.

If you have any unresolved issue with him I'm sure he would be more than happy to clear the matter up.

I am not questioning Perry's ability to build a nice guitar even though he is a relatively newcomer to the industry.

My opinion of him does not come from dealing with him or talking to him personally, he never got that chance. My opinion comes from reading what he has posted on the internet. A while back I was looking for a builder as I want a custom guitar. Ormsby is a name that pops up often when you are looking for an Australian builder but I am a fussy bastard with high expectations so I like to do some research before I give people that kind of money.

After seeing Perry's bullshit in various places there is no way I could do business with him. I'm not trying to convince anyone that they shouldn't do business with him, it is a personal decision, it is my opinion of him.

But since you wrote "fully informs them of all the facts before proceeding with any form of business." I want to point out that his facts are not facts and in some cases lies. A recent example of this is the way he defames other luthiers by claiming they all use the Novak system and promotes himself by claiming he has invented an improved system when infact the method he claims ownership over is the method all good luthiers use, the only builder I know of that advertises the Novak system is Ed Roman . Any intelligent person can verify this with a quick search. The novak system only applies when all the strings run parallel but even if there was a builder out there who made a guitar with parrallel strings they wouldn't mark out the fret placement as the Novak system suggests they mark it out the same way builders have always done which is the method Perry now claims to have developed despite the fact that it is at least a century old.

And it is funny that Ed Roman is a name that comes up when you research Perry and his claims because his business practices are similar in some respects, they both claim ownership of things they have no right to and they both defame other builders with lies to promote their own business. But like I said I don't give a shit if others want to do business with him, however at the same time I can not wait to see the inevitable lawsuit that gets brought against him if he continues the way he is.

But I have nothing against Perry, if he eats a bit of humble pie and stops talking shit about others and recognises the people who helped him when he was starting out in the industry instead of acting like he is the new messiah and all others are hacks then I would probably wish him well, until then I will continue to think he is a knob.

 

[Moonstruck]

I am not questioning Perry's ability to build a nice guitar even though he is a relatively newcomer to the industry.

My opinion of him does not come from dealing with him or talking to him personally, he never got that chance. My opinion comes from reading what he has posted on the internet. A while back I was looking for a builder as I want a custom guitar. Ormsby is a name that pops up often when you are looking for an Australian builder but I am a fussy bastard with high expectations so I like to do some research before I give people that kind of money.

After seeing Perry's bullshit in various places there is no way I could do business with him. I'm not trying to convince anyone that they shouldn't do business with him, it is a personal decision, it is my opinion of him.

But since you wrote "fully informs them of all the facts before proceeding with any form of business." I want to point out that his facts are not facts and in some cases lies. A recent example of this is the way he defames other luthiers by claiming they all use the Novak system and promotes himself by claiming he has invented an improved system when infact the method he claims ownership over is the method all good luthiers use, the only builder I know of that advertises the Novak system is Ed Roman . Any intelligent person can verify this with a quick search. The novak system only applies when all the strings run parallel but even if there was a builder out there who made a guitar with parrallel strings they wouldn't mark out the fret placement as the Novak system suggests they mark it out the same way builders have always done which is the method Perry now claims to have developed despite the fact that it is at least a century old.

And it is funny that Ed Roman is a name that comes up when you research Perry and his claims because his business practices are similar in some respects, they both claim ownership of things they have no right to and they both defame other builders with lies to promote their own business. But like I said I don't give a shit if others want to do business with him, however at the same time I can not wait to see the inevitable lawsuit that gets brought against him if he continues the way he is.

But I have nothing against Perry, if he eats a bit of humble pie and stops talking shit about others and recognises the people who helped him when he was starting out in the industry instead of acting like he is the new messiah and all others are hacks then I would probably wish him well, until then I will continue to think he is a knob.

As you clearly have have more knowledge than these luthiers mentioned Maybe you can explain to us Perry's exact method of doing the multiscale.

Novak actually has "fanned frets" where the calculated fretlines converge to a common point. The "multiscales" do not. That's the most about Perry's method that is known to anyone other than himself.

 

[El Caco]

Rubbish, there is a good reason Perry can not speak up about his method because there is only one method, fret placement isn't mystical, the distance that each fret needs to be placed is worked out mathematically, if a fret is not in the correct location the guitar will not intonate, it is a simple as that.

Now I can draw illustrations to show what I mean because this is a little hard for me to describe but with the Novak system the fretlines come to a point as it assumes the strings are parallel, if Perry's frets are in the correct location and he ran his strings parallel to each other, no matter what method he used to calculate fret placement his frets would be in the same position as the Novak system and his fretline would converge to a common point. However a normal multiscale instrument built by almost any decent luthier does not have strings running parallel, on these instruments the fretlines do not converge to a common point, the fretlines if extended will form a curve.

No luthier draws a point and draws fanned lines from that point to find the fret positions, that would be ridiculous. The fret positions are worked out by calculating the fret placement of the short scale and the fret placement of the long scale and the frets are placed so that they intersect these points under the string line. Like I said if the frets were placed in any other position the instrument would not intonate. Now I can assure you that the multiscale instruments built by Luthiers that post on this board intonate and I can assure you that a few of them would have built multiscale instruments that intonate before Perry started building guitars.

The methods these luthiers use to build multiscale instruments have been around for a long time and multiscale instruments have been around long before Perry was a twinkle in his Fathers eye.

The fact is Perry's method used to calculate the fret positions is not important, it doesn't matter if he uses magic fairy dust to find the fret positions, if his instrument intonates then his fret positions are identical to every other multiscale instrument that intonates and shares the same short and long scale.

Claiming that every other luthier uses the Novak method is a lie and then showing how their instruments will not intonate because of the obvious limitation of the novak system is a deceptive business practice. Perry is preying on the fact that most guitarists do not know the methods that luthiers use to build a guitar and he is deceiving people into believing he builds a multiscale guitar that does something other builders multiscale guitars do not, which is intonate.

Any intelligent person can easily find out this is rubbish with very little research. Like I said multiscale instruments predate Perry and the Novak system, look it up. How do you think these were built previous to the Novak patent? Do you really think that the Novak patent bothered any decent luthier? How many luthiers actually build guitars with parallel strings? Just play a multiscale guitar built by any decent luthier and tell me that it does not intonate.

This is one of the problems with internet forums though, someone like Perry can jump on and write a few posts that simply are not true, posts that discredit others to get him business and some people will believe him.

 

[Moonstruck]

if a fret is not in the correct location the guitar will not intonate, it is a simple as that.

Tell Gibson that.

Now I can draw illustrations to show what I mean because this is a little hard for me to describe but with the Novak system the fretlines come to a point as it assumes the strings are parallel, if Perry's frets are in the correct location and he ran his strings parallel to each other, no matter what method he used to calculate fret placement his frets would be in the same position as the Novak system and his fretline would converge to a common point. However a normal multiscale instrument built by almost any decent luthier does not have strings running parallel, on these instruments the fretlines do not converge to a common point, the fretlines if extended will form a curve.

Sounds like you have no idea of Novak relative to a Multiscale at all.

No luthier draws a point and draws fanned lines from that point to find the fret positions, that would be ridiculous.

I agree, which is why i never said that that's how they do it. If you were to continue the frets out based on their curvature they would all meet at a common point.

This is why it's called "fanned frets" not "angled frets" or "Multiscale". Because the frets are curved.

Any intelligent person can easily find out this is rubbish with very little research.

Well you are half way there then.

Just play a multiscale guitar built by any decent luthier and tell me that it does not intonate.

No guitar intonates perfectly. It's all relative, and Multiscales intonate better than any other to date.

This is one of the problems with internet forums though, someone like Perry can jump on and write a few posts that simply are not true, posts that discredit others to get him business and some people will believe him.

Even if this was the case with Ormsby. You are spending way too much time protesting about him when there so much more of a need to enlighten people about the inferiority and deception of the major guitar builders.

Thanks for your welcome to this forum though. Its gonna be a lot of good times ahead if everyoune else here takes a similar stance to you.

God bless.