Randall Satan 50 already discontinued?

[Ribboz]

What about an Ola Englung Engl signature amp?

I know it goes against his desire to be a little more free to play what he wants. But that would be pretty rad. Especially since he played them for a long time.

 

[StevenC]

The Satan is a badass amp. Seriously an amazing amp especially for the price they can be found used. I don’t know why Randall wouldn’t just keep the amp in production and rename it after Ola left.

I think it's because Randall is incompetent.

 

[gunch]

I think it's because Randall is incompetent.

That and the umbrella corp owning them are mega-incompetent

 

[HeHasTheJazzHands]

I think it's because Randall is incompetent.

That and the umbrella corp owning them are mega-incompetent

Yup. Ass upper-management, ass distribution... Surprised it took this long. It sucks because Randall had a shit-ton of underrated amps.

 

[diagrammatiks]

Nonsensical.

They had great sig artists.

They were doing really interesting stuff with good designers.

Mts is awesome. The fortin stuff all sounds great.

But nope.

Like shitty blackstar survives and moves tons of units.

This is the worst timeline.

 

[HeHasTheJazzHands]

Nonsensical.

They had great sig artists.

They were doing really interesting stuff with good designers.

Mts is awesome. The fortin stuff all sounds great.

But nope.

Like shitty blackstar survives and moves tons of units.

This is the worst timeline.

Because Blackstar actually has distribution, great marketing, and higher-ups that knew what the fuck they're doing.

Never said the products or the design sucked. The people meant to get those designs out there did.

 

[diagrammatiks]

Because Blackstar actually has distribution, great marketing, and higher-ups that knew what the fuck they're doing.

Never said the products or the design sucked. The people meant to get those designs out there did.

Ya I agree. They were baddies. Just goes to show that hedge fund backing, a money to throw at marketing, and rebranded jcm900s is all you need for success.

 

[HeHasTheJazzHands]

Ya I agree. They were baddies. Just goes to show that hedge fund backing, a money to throw at marketing, and rebranded jcm900s is all you need for success.

It worked because for awhile everyfuckingone was using blackstars. That and the fact they got into both the budget tube amp and mini tube amp market before the boom really happened.

 

[mpexus]

It worked because for awhile everyfuckingone was using blackstars. That and the fact they got into both the budget tube amp and mini tube amp market before the boom really happened.

And that is called Excellent Marketing skiils

Music barely makes any money but Gear keeps selling. There are more people buying Gear today than never. Tons of small gigs or bedroom players that dont need 100W or 50W beast... but do these old school Companies do anything to provide them solutions that are affordable and more important, adequate to their needs? Nope, rarely anyone old does...

They will "cry" when Digital will take over for good. It started already and it keeps getting better year by year.Might not be tomorrow but I pretty much doubt in 20 years half Amp builders are still operating. Amps will be kinda of a thing to record with on a Studio, and how many of the same does a studio need? Exactly.

 

[Shoeless_jose]

As meh as Blackstar is, as a SLX2100 owner, I take offense to re branded JCM900s being used as a negative.

My JCM will throat fuck the universe with or without a boost.

 

[HeHasTheJazzHands]

As meh as Blackstar is, as a SLX2100 owner, I take offense to re branded JCM900s being used as a negative.

My JCM will throat fuck the universe with or without a boost.

A JCM900 sounds brutal as fuck with an SD1 and puts any blackstar to shame

Don't @ me

 

[efiltsohg]

Blackstars sound good, I don't get why everybody suddenly hates them.

Blackheart, on the other hand, were some godawful amps

 

[HeHasTheJazzHands]

Blackstars sound good, I don't get why everybody suddenly hates them.

Blackheart, on the other hand, were some godawful amps

Can't suddnely hate something when you never liked them in the first place.

I tried an HT series amp back in the day when they were the next big thing. Never got the hype. And if I were to go solely by demos and album recordings, I never got the hype behind the Series One as well. Just sounded like a more generic Uberschall or Recto. For the price youd spend on a Series One there was much better on the market.

 

[diagrammatiks]

Can't suddnely hate something when you never liked them in the first place.

I tried an HT series amp back in the day when they were the next big thing. Never got the hype. And if I were to go solely by demos and album recordings, I never got the hype behind the Series One as well. Just sounded like a more generic Uberschall or Recto. For the price youd spend on a Series One there was much better on the market.

I've always hated them and their marketing team.
fucking diodes and solid state gain stages. get out of here with that shit.

 

[MASS DEFECT]

Blackstars were one of the makers who put power soak knob standard in their amps though. And I appreciated that. We once played a gig with a sponsored backline of Blackstar 200s. I couldn't get it to saturate enough, putting it in about under 100 watts did the trick. I thought that was a cool feature. Along with their ISF brit-american knob.

 

[efiltsohg]

I've always hated them and their marketing team.
fucking diodes and solid state gain stages. get out of here with that shit.

If nobody told you they had those you wouldn't know the difference

 

[diagrammatiks]

If nobody told you they had those you wouldn't know the difference

It also sounds like shit. So there's that.

 

[Bearitone]

There’s absolutely nothing stopping diode clipping or a solid state preamp from sounding phenomenal

 

[Descent]

Blackstar invaded the market with "tube" amps that weren't quite tube. Anything besides the Artisan that I've heard is not very good. The Artisan on the other hand is super $$$$ so for that cash might as well go real Plexi or a clone like Metropoulos.

A friend of mine swears by their Core 100 (or something like that)
https://blackstaramps.com/uk/products/idcore-stereo-100

I haven't really been impressed by their modeling either.

On the other hand Randall seems to bring impressive stuff but always falls short or gives up the product for some reason. MTS, for example, was/is a revolutionary amp, luckily it found a new home in the Synergy amps product line.
http://www.synergyamps.com/

On the other hand, the latest incarnations of Randall didn't seem to appealing to me, a bit overcooked IMO, the Satan, Thrasher, etc. were just too bright and brash for my taste. If we were still recording to tape that will probably work better but the way these were tuned just hurt my ears. Too much like a EVH/5150/6505.

 

[HeHasTheJazzHands]

Blackstars were one of the makers who put power soak knob standard in their amps though. And I appreciated that. We once played a gig with a sponsored backline of Blackstar 200s. I couldn't get it to saturate enough, putting it in about under 100 watts did the trick. I thought that was a cool feature. Along with their ISF brit-american knob.

Sucks the amps with those innovations are outclassed by amps half their price, even when they were released.

If nobody told you they had those you wouldn't know the difference

If the HT series was the first tube amp I ever tried, and found out about the hybrid preamp, I would assume that all hybrid amps sound like crap.

Since we're talking about Randall, the RD series is lightyears ahead of the HT series. And the higher-end tube amps are better than the Series Ones.