Randy Blythe arrested on charges of manslaughter

[TheKhann]

There is no jury in the Czech judicial system. The judge makes the decision.

Here is a quote on that:

"There is no trial by jury. There is, however, the laic participation in the administration of justice in the form of laypersons sitting as judges in chambers, hearing cases at first instance. Laypersons are elected by local councils (§ 64 and f. Judges Act 2002). Two lay judges sit with a professional judge, hearing non-specialised cases at first instance. Appellate and Supreme courts´ chambers are composed of professional judges only.

The Czech Republic has a system of career judiciary; this system has, however, been recently modified by the requirement of 30 years of age for new judges (§ 60 (1) Judges Act 2002). The judges are appointed by the President of the Republic, following a three year period of specialised training within the courts. Judges are appointed for life and can be only removed following disciplinary proceedings conducted by a special judicial ethics panel, composed of senior judges (cf. law no. 7/2002 Coll., on Disciplinary Proceedings Concerning Judges and Prosecutors)."

 

[Sofos]

man this blows. Finally gonna get to see LoG live, with Dethklok and Gojira no less, and then something like this comes up I hope the justice system goes through how it should though. If he is guilty, hopefully he gets moved to an American prison. If not, all the better.

 

[Ghost40]

That sucks. I enjoy the music. But if he's guilty, then off to prison with him. I'm not sure that Prague is the place I would want to go to prison in though. The USA have good relations with the country, but if they find him guilty of manslaughter, they may not let him get expedited. Czech Republic could be one of those countries that like to make examples out of the guilty.

 

[rawrkunjrawr]

They are saying they'll try to get Randy out by this afternoon

Quote from Metal Insider from Willie Adler

“It’s been a rough couple of days. All I can say is that I can’t recall that particular show let alone a fan being beaten on the stage. I think I would’ve noticed something like that considering the Dime thing.”
We’re all still here in the Czech Republic awaiting what is to happen. We hope we’ll be able to get Randy out this afternoon. All our thoughts are with him as well as the family of the deceased fan. We’ve no real clue as to what happened to him, but we send our condolences. All we try to do is entertain; the fans are why we’re here. We would never try and harm anyone.”

OFF TOPIC:
I'll basically be uploading new news as it comes today. I always wanted to be more active on this forum, just wish it didn't have to start this way.

 

[Konfyouzd]

Isn't the word extradite?

 

[goherpsNderp]

the guy intentionally initiated and engaged in an extremely dangerous act- attacking someone via fisticuffs in front of a ton of people that are fans of the recipient of the attack. the recipient defended himself, and the attacker was injured to the point where he died later on.

this isn't some kind of florida stand your ground thing here, although i admit i do not know what the laws are in this country. so i can only speak from a mechanical standpoint. hopefully this is just a formality so that it can be put on record what happened and so that it isn't some loose end that was never followed up on.

interesting that the band mates don't even remember what the incident in question was.

 

[Varcolac]

Isn't the word extradite?

Yes and no. Expedite is to cause something to happen more quickly. Amazon offers expedited delivery. Extradition is the transfer of a suspect or fugitive to the country in which they face charges, not away from it. I think Ghost40 is thinking of a prisoner transfer, where a convicted prisoner is transferred to a prison in their home country to serve the remainder of their sentence.

 

[Konfyouzd]

interesting that the band mates don't even remember what the incident in question was.

Pretty easy to say if you don't want your buddy to fry. Were they under oath when they said that?

Then again it could be that it did happen and for some reason they really just don't remember it.

 

[Randyrhoads123]

"Czech Court To Rule Tomorrow On Whether To Continue Detaining LAMB OF GOD Singer"

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[thraxil]

Then again it could be that it did happen and for some reason they really just don't remember it.

Sounds reasonable to me. I've been to a few LoG shows. Someone jumping on stage and getting violently removed is not exactly a rare occurrence. Imagine being in that band and seeing that kind of thing happen night after night on loud, crazy stages with lots of people running around and bright lights flashing all around you in different cities on a busy tour. A single incident wouldn't be something that would stand out in your memory. He didn't die till much later, so at the time it probably looked like any other stagediver ejection or mosh pit injury.

 

[rawrkunjrawr]

"Czech Court To Rule Tomorrow On Whether To Continue Detaining LAMB OF GOD Singer"

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I'm getting super anxious, I just want this all to be over with and have Randy back on the streets.

 

[Konfyouzd]

I'm just worried that if things go badly they'll end up with a singer I don't like as much. Way to make this about me, eh?

 

[goherpsNderp]

Pretty easy to say if you don't want your buddy to fry. Were they under oath when they said that?

Then again it could be that it did happen and for some reason they really just don't remember it.

true. who knows? for all we know plenty of people run up on the stage and start shit, so it's not something they commit to memory too often, and wasn't out of the ordinary.

real talk: it makes me really think about the repercussions of this sort of thing. i live in houston texas and (afaik) there's a good amount of muggings and that sort of thing. if i defended myself and killed someone, i could potentially be in this sort of situation too despite how clear cut it may hypothetically seem.

 

[RevDrucifer]

If that dude was crazy enough to try rushing the stage 3 separate times, no doubt he's was jumping around in pits during the show as well.

While I hope this gets resolved soon, this will no doubt leave a scar in the mind's of the band members. First off, after the Dimebag thing, (which still resonates CLEAR with MANY guys in the music scene), you never know what to expect when someone jumps onstage.

I would have done the same damn thing in Randy's shoes. Unless there's a fucking sign that says, "PLEASE COME ONSTAGE WHILE WE PLAY", or the band invites you up- Stay the fuck off it.

If a dude jumps a fence at an electric facility and gets shocked walking around the fenced off area, should the electric company be responsible for his death? He shouldn't have been there. Plain and simple.

 

[Tuned2F]

He threw a kid offstage back into the crowd. Part of the reasons many venues will not allow stagediving anymore is because of lawsuits and liability involved when people start launching themselves offstage.

People stage dive and mosh all the time. But the problem is, when someone gets hurt there's liability. Who's responsible? The venue? Security? The fan? The band?

By choosing to push the kid offstage, inadvertently, it sounds like Randy may have caused this kid some pretty serious injuries. That's what manslaughter IS. He didn't intend it, but he caused it.

I'm hoping this is something that can be settled quickly. I think it will end up being a case of two wrongs canceling out legally (Randy's pushing the kid offstage vs. the kid pushing his way ONstage), but then the family will win some sort of damages in a following civil suit. And I'd guess that this is the intent all along, it's doubtful anyone expects a conviction out of this.

I gotta agree with this statement.

Because he physically pushed the guy, then he is guilty of whatever happened.

I would really like to see what Czech's personal defense laws are. If they're similar to the United States, you can only defend yourself with equal force. In which case, I would say Randy's actions were justifiable in a manner of self defense.

 

[Konfyouzd]

true. who knows? for all we know plenty of people run up on the stage and start shit, so it's not something they commit to memory too often, and wasn't out of the ordinary.

real talk: it makes me really think about the repercussions of this sort of thing. i live in houston texas and (afaik) there's a good amount of muggings and that sort of thing. if i defended myself and killed someone, i could potentially be in this sort of situation too despite how clear cut it may hypothetically seem.

... leave no witnesses...

 

[anthonyferguson]

One of my friends died from a brain haemorrhage after being hit once by some scrote. I don't see, if the evidence shows Randy's physical activity (albeit not immediately) resulted in the fan's death, how these two cases are different. The person who killed my friend is serving a 10 year sentence.

I bet there would be much less compassion if it was, say Oli Sykes or Gerard Way in this situation.

 

[RevDrucifer]

One of my friends died from a brain haemorrhage after being hit once by some scrote. I don't see, if the evidence shows Randy's physical activity (albeit not immediately) resulted in the fan's death, how these two cases are different. The person who killed my friend is serving a 10 year sentence.

I bet there would be much less compassion if it was, say Oli Sykes or Gerard Way in this situation.

Aside from the fact that both people died of brain injuries, how are the cases the same?

Maybe there would be less compassion if some idiot wasn't trying to do something he wasn't supposed to be doing.

 

[anthonyferguson]

Aside from the fact that both people died of brain injuries, how are the cases the same?

Maybe there would be less compassion if some idiot wasn't trying to do something he wasn't supposed to be doing.

I don't see how getting up on stage is a crime that's justifiably combated with pushing them off? It sounds an awful lot like an act of aggression, which is what happened in the other situation I mentioned. I don't really care if it's red mist. A push/kick is not redefined if the aggressor is hyped up/drunk/whatever.

As for Willie's testimony that he saw nothing, it's not exactly surprising that you could miss something that happened so quickly if you're trying to concentrate on playing a kick-ass show. This all sounds really fishy. The Czech police can't have arrested him on a whim, especially after waiting for so long.

 

[asher]

I don't see how getting up on stage is a crime that's justifiably combated with pushing them off? It sounds an awful lot like an act of aggression, which is what happened in the other situation I mentioned.

If you go with the first blog post that popped up, it's totally an act of aggression. If the later reports are accurate, it's the singer getting bumrushed multiple times by the same fan getting through security. What's Randy to do there? Give him a hug? Stop singing and politely ask him to leave mid-song after he already bounded past security the third time?