Snowflakery...

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by BlackSG91, Mar 22, 2019.

  1. MetalHex

    MetalHex SS.org Regular

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    Uh. No. All I was meaning was that maybe he shouldn't be taking a knee then. Actually, I really don't care about the whole knee thing. I never cared or was offended. I was just responding to punkbillcarson about it since he brought it up, and that I could see where people could be offended. (Not that kneeling is a good way to bring about positive change. On the contrary though, it did bring about more division)......but thats besides the point.

    I think that you just used my light-hearted post as an opportunity to vent out some your discontent about right-wingers considering that you lumped me together with people who give a fuck about hilarys emails....which, surprisingly, I don't.
     
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  2. MaxOfMetal

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    The lad doth protest too much, methinks
     
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  3. MetalHex

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    well clearly everyone out there is looking for some drama.....that's why they are out there to begin with (most likely) because they know damn well that its a terrible way to have political discourse with other people......its almost gauranteed to be a shit show. Or else they would just stay home.
     
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    What is a good way to bring about positive change? Write your representatives, Colin!

    The dude did a phenomenal job bringing attention to the cause, and being someone in the limelight that everyday victims can rally behind.
     
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  5. MetalHex

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    Since you just can't let it die and you must keep pressing on....

    Again, he needs to be clear on what he wants to change, and address that directly to the ones whom he is addressing; instead of taking a knee during the national anthem during a football game. Police brutality is somewhat of a general blanket problem, to justify taking a knee during a private company owned nfl game full of contractual obligations. That's like being against illegal dog fighting, and then taking a knee at a football game during the national anthem because you are against dog fighting. Thats like being against companies cutting pension plans to their employees, and taking a knee during the national anthem at a national televised football game because you are upset about employees losing their pensions. See how silly that is? They have nothing to do with each other.

    What he should do is wait until after the game and after his shower when he does his press interview with ESPN and all the other broadcasting networks, he should address his grief THEN....while he has the not only the cameras on him but 100 microphones and a podium so he can SAY what his problem is.

    He brought about more divide rather than a good change, because of, well, look at the backlash he haa gotten for it on the 50% or people who are against it. The gung ho idiots who are FOR what he sid, vs the gung ho idiots who are against what he did, are forever at a civil war because of it, and it all could have been easily avoided. He brought the nfl involved when they have nothing to do with police brutality. On one side you have the "pro" kneeling people shouting in everyones face saying things like "GOOD! GOOD! FUCK you white supremist racist ass pigs nazi kkk facist usa!!" On the other hand you have people lighting their nfl jerseys and other nfl memorabilia on fire saying "they took err jerb!!" because they are so upset. He stirred the fuck out of the pot by doing it the way he did. If he addressed the issue at another place and time, it would have brought upon a more widespread positive effect.

    But on another note, why isnt he kneeling and protesting against all of his nfl buddies who are arrested every other day for domestic violence beating their wives time and time again? At least those two factors are both related since, he is against brutality, and IT IS members of the same club he belongs to getting charged for those crimes. That would make alot more sense because the national anthem doesnt = police brutality.
     
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    If in this scenario the public at large generally wrongly believes that there's no widespread dog fighting problem in America. People saw him kneeling and had to ask "why?", which involves actually educating oneself, and in the process beginning to examine how prevalent this type of problem is.

    I don't know, I think of it kind of like looking at Gandhi in 1930 and thinking, jeez, sitting around and going for walks? What's this have to do with British rule? Surely you could write a letter or get your voice heard in some other channel? All this is doing is sewing division between the Indian people!
     
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    No shit. Or setting yourself on fire? What the hell does that have to do with anything? Standing in front of tanks? People do some weird shit for weird reasons.
     
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    The point is that the extreme is growing, and shit like this only feeds it and enables it to keep growing. This strange person doing strange things bit is more common than it should be. I'm pretty sure I've posted a short novel on this in the US politics thread, lol.
    "Look at this person being ridiculous on a college campus" works, because there are TONS of people out there that have actually seen that happen. This type of behavior is spiraling out of control and is starting to become way, way more prevalent.

    The radical left is feeding the radical right who is feeding the radical left, and so long as everyone is going to sit on their half of the line, play the whataboutism game, and continue to enable these people, these types of people WILL have more in common with the typical member of X group before too long. The reason why people like myself rag on the left about this more than the right is because it seems like the right mostly acknowledges that there's a problem. The alt-right is condemned all the time, to the point where I almost don't even hear it anymore when people say it. I don't see the same type of condemnation from the left toward their brand of insane activists.

    And no, before anybody takes it personally, I am generalizing. I am fully 100% aware that most [if not all] of you are reasonable people who know this stuff and all of that text up there doesn't apply to you or even probably to most actual leftists. It's the media personalities, the legislators, the public faces that exhibit this behavior.

    You forgot about DESTROYING people with FACTS and LOGIC :lol:
    I love that you actually saved that bingo sheet.
     
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    almost on sequitor: saw a title of a post somewhere that made me giggle: "Ben Shapiro DESTROYS basket of mozzeralla sticks at Applebee's with FACTS and LOGIC."
     
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    "That's like being against illegal dog fighting, and then taking a knee at a football game during the national anthem because you are against dog fighting. Thats like being against companies cutting pension plans to their employees, and taking a knee during the national anthem at a national televised football game because you are upset about employees losing their pensions."

    False equivalence. Its not like for like. People aren't DYING because of dog fighting or losing a pension. Police brutality has been leading to a rash of deaths disproportionately affecting the black community. This is why he was taking a knee.

    You are also speaking from the perspective that controversy is a negative thing. Change doesn't happen without social pressure. You don't get that without making a scene. We're also talking about a community that is terrified of the current situation. Fear leads to emotional reactions to problems that could be solved otherwise. Colin's choice was actually quite rational and I applaud him for it. It cost him his livelihood. How many of us would be willing to take such a stand?
     
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  11. PunkBillCarson

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    Okay so what about the radical right? The people who turn their noses up whenever someone so much as even says the words "gun registry?"
     
  12. Ordacleaphobia

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    I wouldn't classify that as 'radical,' but in the post you quoted I state that they're a problem.
    In fact, this entire comment in and of itself is almost the topic of that whole post :lol:

    Every time the alt right does some stupid clowny shit, they create more radical leftists. Every time the radical lefists do some clowny stupid shit, they push more people toward the alt right. These people don't realize that they are literally creating the people they're so vocally against.
     
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    I would say ignoring a clear issue is pretty fucked up. Just because they're not out looting stores, they're ignoring and even denying the problems the create the disparity, so to me, yes that's pretty fucking radical.
     
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    But do you see what's happening though? This is exactly what I was talking about.
    "What about the right?" and then when met with a "Yeah, there's problems," we wind up deflected toward a singular issue. No acknowledgement that there may be a problem on the left.

    How is a registry a clear issue? I don't want the government to have a list of every armed civilian. That sounds dystopian as fuck and they probably already know anyway. It's an annoyance but not really a huge issue, and doesn't solve the mass shooting problem, if that's what you're getting at. PM your thoughts on this one by all means if you want to discuss it.

    And who is "they"? What disparity?
     
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    Yeah but see you yourself have done the exact same thing. By merely bringing up any issues the other side has, that can be construed as this "whataboutism" thing. The problem is, you're going to have to bring those issues up if you truly expect to make any gains regarding this country. You identify an issue and then work on it. As far as disparity goes, I'm of course referring to how people are treated in general. There is still a disparity in this country regarding people of different backgrounds.
     
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    So every time any person does something, they are directly responsible for how the people who disagree with what they did acts in response to their actions? Where are agency and personal responsibility? People, whether they wan't to believe it or not are directly responsible for their own actions. You can't just point back and forth. I understand what you're saying. Both sides need to take a pill and settle down. Agreed. But you can't blame one side for the actions of the other. They made a choice to do as they did. No one created anyone else. They chose to react irrationally or to reveal who they were all along. The Alt-Right is the Alt-Right because that's how they see things. It isn't because AntiFa did some dumb shit like punching Richard Spencer or because BLM blocked a street. AntiFa didn't become radical because of the Alt-Right. They were always radical and got bold because they discovered they weren't alone. Most of this can be attributed to the internet and its ability to bring crazy assholes together from disparate parts of this enormous spinning projectile. The media has a special super power that they like to use to fan the flames of literally EVERY dumpster fire happening on said spinning projectile. Mostly because they know what will make us watch in large enough numbers to draw ad revenue. Humans aren't civil. They're wild animals clever enough to convince themselves that they are civil. Convincing yourself that some else is to blame for the dumb shit one group does is the same as blaming the girl who broke your heart for dumb shit you're doing to make yourself feel better about the situation. She didn't make you do any of it. You just want an excuse to not be responsible for your own stupidity. The result of all of this though, is that everyone eventually realizes on some level how stupid they were being, and if they aren't too proud, they extend an olive branch. That's where the change actually starts happening. We need the conflict to get better. We don't have to struggle against our environments anymore. Nature has submitted to us. Except that nature that resides within us that needs something to struggle against so that we can progress. Those two groups of idiots are defining the middle ground right now. Eventually most of us will end up there and be what determines how we move forward.
     
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    Isn't that the title of a Snoop song, "Ain't Nuthin' but a Polly-O Thang" I believe?
     
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    Close.

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