The Carvin / Kiesel thread
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mbardu
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And if I'm not mistaken the price increase looks about 50$ across the board on most models.
SymmetricScars
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That's pretty reasonable, I was expecting more tbh.
mbardu
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That's still more than nothing, but even added to the last ~100$ or so increase, it's still way below the price inflation on a lot of imports from other brands in the last ~2 years.
spudmunkey
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I think there's a Q&A video today. I wonder if there's some new standard feature/process that they've added that can mentally off-set some of that. ha! Wishful thinking, perhaps...but that is what happened when they added stainless frets, luminlay side dots, and the upgrade to quartersawn for the 1-piece maple necks. They were all along for the ride with $50 increases. ALthough, as time goes on, a $50 becomes a slightly smaller and smaller percentage of the overall cost anyway, so there's less room to burry additional cost into that same $50. 
Albake21
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Considering an Aries was only $950 just three years ago, it's quite a bit.
mbardu
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I didn't claim there had been no increase, but in proportion, it's still less than those increases you can see on things like Ibanez (Prestiges went from 1k$ to 2k$ real fast) or Schecter (Signatures > 1.5k$), or Jackson (USA models are now 4k$ guitars...) etc etc.
I used to be the first to complain about their price increases, and to prove my point a couple of months back, I tried to re-price a DC400 I ordered literally 10 years ago from Carvin based on today's options. Well, adjusted for inflation, the price (~1800 in today's dollars) had actually barely changed at all (while the standard options and quality has improved slightly). So at the end of the day I ended up disproving my own point
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spudmunkey
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Comparing to historical data is a bit of a crap shoot. For every example like April 2015 (their last catalog)where a DC600 was $899 with the hipshot bridge and with inflation, that'd be $975 as of May 2020 but it's $1299 today, there are also examples like yours. Claro walnut tops were $400 in 2015, and still are today. Stainless frets were $40, now it's free. The standard pickups are more expensive than they used to be., etc etc etc.
I'm curious what raw tone satin is like on a plain maple top. I like the plain wood feel from tung oil but I also want to do a solid color (seafoam green), and I would want a cleaner look without the grain patterns from swamp ash, ideally as little figuring as possible. It was really hard to find pictures of this online.
I think these have maple tops? But obviously there's basically no figuring at all except where the swamp ash bodies come through, so maybe it's just better to go with a satin finish. I don't know if there would be much of a difference to the touch.
I'm thinking a neckthrough Aries 7 multiscale, RNC swamp ash body, 3 piece body to get the black outline between the seafoam top and natural body. Chambered and tung oil 1 piece walnut neck, maybe roasted flame maple fretboard. 3+4 headstock matching body.
I think these have maple tops? But obviously there's basically no figuring at all except where the swamp ash bodies come through, so maybe it's just better to go with a satin finish. I don't know if there would be much of a difference to the touch.
I'm thinking a neckthrough Aries 7 multiscale, RNC swamp ash body, 3 piece body to get the black outline between the seafoam top and natural body. Chambered and tung oil 1 piece walnut neck, maybe roasted flame maple fretboard. 3+4 headstock matching body.
spudmunkey
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The raw tone finish is a less durable, ever-so-slightly "waxier" feeling finish. I would think of it like the satin finish on Taylor's higher-end acoustic necks vs the satin they use on like the 300, 200 or 1oo series. At least, that's how it was a few yers ago, I'm not sure if Taylor's changed that up.
I prefer the standard satin, if you're not going for the wood grain texture. Though, the raw tone is a thinner finish, so it has that going for it, if that's what you're shopping for in terms of "tone", hense, "raw tone".
I prefer the standard satin, if you're not going for the wood grain texture. Though, the raw tone is a thinner finish, so it has that going for it, if that's what you're shopping for in terms of "tone", hense, "raw tone".
Yeah my Delos is a straight up satin finish. It's fine and all but it does sort of feel like a big hunk of plastic in a way. The solid satin matte finish on my Dingwall feels nicer to me - a bit more coarse which maybe gives the illusion of the finish being thinner.
Tough decision.
Tough decision.
Dumple Stilzkin
Pointy star bastard.
Looks like Raspberry Jam. But im not 100%. Someone else can give you a better idea.
spudmunkey
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Seems to red to be raspberry jam..but almost too pink to be crimson, wine, or black cherry?
mbardu
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I've had crimson red be just as bright and almost that pink under very bright blueish lights.
Edit: actually I was thinking Ruby red, not crimson red- my bad.
Here's a pic I still have- though the light was quite yellow so it looks less "pink" than it actually was.
Edit: actually I was thinking Ruby red, not crimson red- my bad.
Here's a pic I still have- though the light was quite yellow so it looks less "pink" than it actually was.
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spudmunkey
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Got it. It's Select Fuscia Pink.
It belongs to this guy on IG:
https://instagram.com/chriskellyguitar?igshid=1hzn9z3ldnewt
Lots of in-progress pics, and a few once he received it. The color name was posted as a reply to one of the posts.
mbardu
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It looks good. Not so damn “bulbous”
spudmunkey
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Someone posted pics of this one on the FB group. I'm not super huge on the crackle finishes, but the white over transparent aqua (with I think the antique ash finish) on ash looks super cool, I think.
I love crackles, but I can say I have never wanted a blue cheese guitar
That pink looks fantastic though
That pink looks fantastic though
