The Carvin / Kiesel thread

[MatiasTolkki]

I wouldn't call that standard... I mean the top and headstock sure. But once you add a flamed maple board plus the fact that the V220 is so niche it adds up easy. Personally I think if you can get it down to $2200 I'd say it's still worth it.

Well the point was to get it to the exact specs of my JB200.

And They aren't "standard" as in no upcharge options, but it isn't like some crazy burl maple top with some wild finish or anything.

 

[wannabguitarist]

Nothing insane dude. Just flame maple top, flame maple board, matching headstock with abalone dot inlays and blackburst. ALL standard options.

 

[MatiasTolkki]

Think you missed my follow-up comment.

 

[Albake21]

Think you missed my follow-up comment.

Well... I wouldn't call them crazy options, but they are still some pricey upscaled prices. You have to remember that we are talking about actual flamed maple, not veneer like on Ibanez's

 

[MatiasTolkki]

Well... I wouldn't call them crazy options, but they are still some pricey upscaled prices. You have to remember that we are talking about actual flamed maple, not veneer like on Ibanez's

The Caparison custom line I tried with half the body being flame maple would like a word with my JB200

All joking aside though, I realize they are pricey options, that aren't helped by the massive increase in price the V models got... that's why when I ordered the V220 I have now, I went as simple as possible, solid color, plain maple fingerboard, nothing fancy.

 

[feraledge]

i've been pondering:

As much as I hate El farterino snifferino, I've been considering going through with a build I had planned YEARS ago: a V220 that is a carbon copy of my JB200.

At this point, I'm fairly positive Jeff has had the records combed to identify you and there is NO WAY they are going to let you order even if you wanted to. They cut people for far less than the fatwa you're crusading on.

 

[spudmunkey]

I hit $2400, but only if I added a 5-piece maple neck. Did yours have that? i realize i missed the abalone dots, which would be $30 more than the black in the specs below, which makes it $2399. Without the 5-piece neck, it would be $2,250. What were the additional specs you were looking at?

LN - Floyd Rose Locking Nut $30.00
-MA - Maple Neck/Alder Body (Standard) $0.00
-CG - Clear Gloss Finish (Standard) $0.00
FDP - Deep Purple Flame $250.00
BST - Blackburst Edges $40.00
5MM - 5-Piece All-Maple Neck $150.00
NS - Neck Covered By Optional Top Wood $50.00
TN - Tung Oil Finish Back Of Neck (Natural Wood) $60.00
PTH - Pointed Angled 6s Headstock $50.00
FPH - Flamed Maple Headstock Matches Body Finish $50.00
FMF - Flamed Maple Fingerboard (Tung-Oiled) $100.00
ID - Dot Inlays $0.00
IAB - Black Acrylic Inlay Material $20.00
-STF - Stainless Med-Jumbo Frets .048" H .103" W (Standard) $0.00
R12 - 12in Fretboard Radius $40.00
35 - M22SD Bridge Pickup $10.00
43 - M22N Neck Pickup $5.00
-400 - Black Pickup Coils (Standard) $0.00
-PPC - Kiesel Lithium/Beryllium Silver Pickup Poles (Standard) $0.00
BC - Black Hardware $30.00
-46 - Elixir 1046E Light Gauge .010 - .046 (Standard) $0.00
ABL - Abalone Logo $30.00
HC19 - Black Tolex Hardshell Guitar Case $135.00
Custom Shop Total: $2,469.00
Options Discount: $-100.00

Total $2,369.00

 

[Albake21]

I hit $2400, but only if I added a 5-piece maple neck. i realize i missed the abalone dots, which would be $30 more than the black in the specs below, which makes it $2399. Without the 5-piece neck, it would be $2,250. What were the additional specs you were looking at?

LN - Floyd Rose Locking Nut $30.00
-MA - Maple Neck/Alder Body (Standard) $0.00
-CG - Clear Gloss Finish (Standard) $0.00
FDP - Deep Purple Flame $250.00
BST - Blackburst Edges $40.00
5MM - 5-Piece All-Maple Neck $150.00
NS - Neck Covered By Optional Top Wood $50.00
TN - Tung Oil Finish Back Of Neck (Natural Wood) $60.00
PTH - Pointed Angled 6s Headstock $50.00
FPH - Flamed Maple Headstock Matches Body Finish $50.00
FMF - Flamed Maple Fingerboard (Tung-Oiled) $100.00
ID - Dot Inlays $0.00
IAB - Black Acrylic Inlay Material $20.00
-STF - Stainless Med-Jumbo Frets .048" H .103" W (Standard) $0.00
R12 - 12in Fretboard Radius $40.00
35 - M22SD Bridge Pickup $10.00
43 - M22N Neck Pickup $5.00
-400 - Black Pickup Coils (Standard) $0.00
-PPC - Kiesel Lithium/Beryllium Silver Pickup Poles (Standard) $0.00
BC - Black Hardware $30.00
-46 - Elixir 1046E Light Gauge .010 - .046 (Standard) $0.00
ABL - Abalone Logo $30.00
HC19 - Black Tolex Hardshell Guitar Case $135.00
Custom Shop Total: $2,469.00
Options Discount: $-100.00

Total $2,369.00

That's a VERY custom build too, so I'm not surprised at the price. I just ordered a flame maple Aries 7 and it only came to $1600. Now obviously the Aries 7 is $1050 starting, but that $250 extra still doesn't come to $2400 lol.

 

[Seabeast2000]

Pierced headstock with K-gage - $450

 

[spudmunkey]

It's also $500 more than the identically-spec'd JB200C with the hard case, even though that JB200C price even includes funds that go to Jason and the special truss rod cover. Only $35 of that difference comes from the larger hardshell case over the "normal" hardshell you can get with the jB200C.

 

[Albake21]

It's also $500 more than the identically-spec'd JB200C with the hard case, even though that JB200C price even includes funds that go to Jason and the special truss rod cover. Only $35 of that difference comes from the larger hardshell case over the "normal" hardshell you can get with the jB200C.

Wait the JB200C starts at $1700. That's much more than the V220.

 

[wannabguitarist]

Think you missed my follow-up comment.

It looks like I did, sorry about that. I am shocked a flamed maple top is only $250 on the V220. Was expecting more given the weird shape.

 

[spudmunkey]

Wait the JB200C starts at $1700. That's much more than the V220.

Yes, but I was talking about the V220 as-spec'd like the JB200C. The JB200C starts higher, but it's price includes the flamed top, floyd rose, pointy matching headstock, etc etc.

 

[Albake21]

Yes, but I was talking about the V220 as-spec'd like the JB200C. The JB200C starts higher, but it's price includes the flamed top, floyd rose, pointy matching headstock, etc etc.

Ohh I didn't know it included all of that. That makes sense now with it's price.

 

[spudmunkey]

When it was launched, and I believe when Matias ordered his, they offered more options on it. There was the JB200SC if you wanted a simple build without a top, and you could get the JB200C with other top woods, or even other colors, all considered "standard options". At some point, they started narrowing the options on the signature models (and in some cases like the ST300 to the JB200C, SH445 to the FG1 and AC275 to the CC275, jettisoning the non-signature versions of those instruments). The JB200C was narrowed to only come bundled as the "Bluey" spec, and I think pretty much the only options that keep the 10-day trial period are one alternate fret size, and the 5-piece maple neck, and I*think* a 1V/1T/5-way blade switch control layout.

 

[Cynicanal]

The last page and a half are the funniest plot twist ever. Mattias has gone full tsundere!

 

[Albake21]

The last page and a half are the funniest plot twist ever. Mattias has gone full tsundere!

My exact thoughts!

 

[spudmunkey]

Ahh, I just assumed today was "opposite day" in Japan.

 

[MatiasTolkki]

I hit $2400, but only if I added a 5-piece maple neck. Did yours have that? i realize i missed the abalone dots, which would be $30 more than the black in the specs below, which makes it $2399. Without the 5-piece neck, it would be $2,250. What were the additional specs you were looking at?

LN - Floyd Rose Locking Nut $30.00
-MA - Maple Neck/Alder Body (Standard) $0.00
-CG - Clear Gloss Finish (Standard) $0.00
FDP - Deep Purple Flame $250.00
BST - Blackburst Edges $40.00
5MM - 5-Piece All-Maple Neck $150.00
NS - Neck Covered By Optional Top Wood $50.00
TN - Tung Oil Finish Back Of Neck (Natural Wood) $60.00
PTH - Pointed Angled 6s Headstock $50.00
FPH - Flamed Maple Headstock Matches Body Finish $50.00
FMF - Flamed Maple Fingerboard (Tung-Oiled) $100.00
ID - Dot Inlays $0.00
IAB - Black Acrylic Inlay Material $20.00
-STF - Stainless Med-Jumbo Frets .048" H .103" W (Standard) $0.00
R12 - 12in Fretboard Radius $40.00
35 - M22SD Bridge Pickup $10.00
43 - M22N Neck Pickup $5.00
-400 - Black Pickup Coils (Standard) $0.00
-PPC - Kiesel Lithium/Beryllium Silver Pickup Poles (Standard) $0.00
BC - Black Hardware $30.00
-46 - Elixir 1046E Light Gauge .010 - .046 (Standard) $0.00
ABL - Abalone Logo $30.00
HC19 - Black Tolex Hardshell Guitar Case $135.00
Custom Shop Total: $2,469.00
Options Discount: $-100.00

Total $2,369.00

Abalone inlanys, Jumbo stainless frets, pointed reverse angled headstock.

 

[MatiasTolkki]

My exact thoughts!

I was talking to a friend on facebook (the same friend who convinced me to buy a Charvel-logo MIJ RR) and I was showing him old mock-ups that Evster did for me when I was still contemplating what to do about a V220 build, realized I still want a JB200 clone

HOWEVER, I may be snagging a first or second year v220 used (with a kahler). Still up in the air.