The Official Agile ERG Thread
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Well in my case, I'm holding out for 25.5 or 27" model. 28.625" is just way too long for me when it comes to my main player guitars. The current scale length has entered novelty territory. Plus, that scale length does change the tonal aspects of the higher strings. I also know that I'd unfortunately end up selling it due to lack of comfort.
25.5" FTW! Click to see my old 25.5" 8-stringer.
Well in my case, I'm holding out for 25.5 or 27" model. 28.625" is just way too long for me when it comes to my main player guitars. The current scale length has entered novelty territory. Plus, that scale length does change the tonal aspects of the higher strings. I also know that I'd unfortunately end up selling it due to lack of comfort.
25.5" FTW! Click to see my old 25.5" 8-stringer.
I don't see Rondo producing anything shorter than 27" scale, the market just isn't there...
Well in my case, I'm holding out for 25.5 or 27" model. 28.625" is just way too long for me when it comes to my main player guitars. The current scale length has entered novelty territory. Plus, that scale length does change the tonal aspects of the higher strings. I also know that I'd unfortunately end up selling it due to lack of comfort.
25.5" FTW! Click to see my old 25.5" 8-stringer.
That 8-string is awesome! I'd be happy if I could get my hands on a second 8-string that was 25.5" scale so I could tune it BEADGBEA. If Kurt makes a 25.5" scale run, I'll probably pull the trigger on it. Having a F#BEADGBE tuned 8-string and a BEADGBEA 8-string would cover pretty much all of my needs, and I could sell off the rest of my guitars.
So, how different is the tonal change of the higher strings for a 28.625" scale guitar? Thanks for any help you can offer in this area.
Oh well....
If we can play 25.5" 7-strings, I just don't see the point of stretching out a scale length over 2" just to get 5 more notes from an 8th string.
Believe me, 25.5" works just fine.
The higher strings tend to loss that "zing" that you get from standard scale. It's a duller, flatter tone overall. Longer scale yields more of a bass guitar tone. My 30" baritone I had sounded radically different from my 7-string & that has the same tunings. I'm sure you understand where I'm coming from on that. I guess I want my guitar to sound LIKE A GUITAR & if you go to far w/ the scale length, you're getting into bass territory.
Shannon, I completely agree with you that 25.5" works fine, I have a Dean Avalanche in F# and my other guitarist has a RG7321 in F# right now for a new song we're doing. We only have those to work with right now, so we can make it work.
That said, it's not ideal. I think 27" is, however. Your whole thing about there being no point in extending 2" for 5 notes completely misses the point. It's there to make the 24 notes on that string not sound like anus.
That said, it's not ideal. I think 27" is, however. Your whole thing about there being no point in extending 2" for 5 notes completely misses the point. It's there to make the 24 notes on that string not sound like anus.
Splees
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Oh well....
If we can play 25.5" 7-strings, I just don't see the point of stretching out a scale length over 2" just to get 5 more notes from an 8th string.
Believe me, 25.5" works just fine.
The higher strings tend to loss that "zing" that you get from standard scale. It's a duller, flatter tone overall. Longer scale yields more of a bass guitar tone. My 30" baritone I had sounded radically different from my 7-string & that has the same tunings. I'm sure you understand where I'm coming from on that. I guess I want my guitar to sound LIKE A GUITAR & if you go to far w/ the scale length, you're getting into bass territory.
I was also in the small pool of people that didn't want the eight over 27" but I can definitely understand why we didn't go that route... since there are three production eights with a 27" and one with a 25.5" the next logical step would be to Spinal Tap the eight string community..
It will be a nice guitar, no doubt. so i'm not complaining. I know I'm going miss how the higher notes will sound, but that's what all my other guitars are for.
same here, I've learned to use my 25.5" in F# and yes, it did sound funky. but honestly, it wasn't that bad at all.
Actually we didn't go that route because a poll was posted and the overwhelming response was for 28"+
http://www.sevenstring.org/forum/extended-range-guitars/49977-rondo-8-string-scale-length-poll.html
I do however agree that an additional model eventually with a 25.5" or even 25" scale length would be cool to allow an additional high string
nuclearvoodoo
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Just a minor cosmetic question... What will the logo on the peg head look like? And will it be inlay'd, sticker, or painted ? Cheers
Agreed. Even at 24.75" the low B is fat and full on the AX7521, but I do have a 28.625" scale 7 and it is not muddy or "bassy" as suggested. I think anything from 25.5" to 30" can be made to work just fine for an 8.
I agree. The nicest seven I've played yet was a custom shop Mayones with a 25.4" scale, and the B string didn't warble at all!
I think that it's a good choice to go with a longer scale for the Agiles though. Guess theres a better chance of getting clarity F# string this way.
Splees
splees
Actually we didn't go that route because a poll was posted and the overwhelming response was for 28"+
http://www.sevenstring.org/forum/extended-range-guitars/49977-rondo-8-string-scale-length-poll.html
I do however agree that an additional model eventually with a 25.5" or even 25" scale length would be cool to allow an additional high string
ACTUALLY that's what I was talking about. I probably just should have talked about the poll directly though
but like I said I don't care too much since I've never played anything over 27".except for how those higher notes might sound. I love the extra space to move around up there but I'm not too sure about how it sounds. DAMN PHYSICS.
I hope rondo releases the eight string it other scales too.
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Just a minor cosmetic question... What will the logo on the peg head look like? And will it be inlay'd, sticker, or painted ? Cheers
I'm guessing the headstock will look something like the one on this:
As for the logo, i could care less. It could be scrawled on there with a red Crayola for all i care.
nuclearvoodoo
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I'm thinking of buying a Swineshead APEX pickup for my Agile Intrepid Standard as a replacement for the Agile brand pickup. Would there be any issues with this? Or should it fit nice and easy (no gaps etc) ?
Considering that the Swinesheads are sized the same as an 808 while the pups in the Standard look to be more 'normal' sized passive pickups it would probably not fit without routing.
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I think the Swinesheads are meant to match the mounting screw placement on the 808, and to fit inside the same cavity. Because they still have mounting tabs, they'll have gaps around the shoulders when placed in an 808 cavity.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Agile passive pickup is close to or identical to the Swineshead dimensions, since we provided those to Kurt as an example of what he could do in order to give people aftermarket options.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Agile passive pickup is close to or identical to the Swineshead dimensions, since we provided those to Kurt as an example of what he could do in order to give people aftermarket options.
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IF THE PRICE AND QUALITY IS RIGHT !!!! WHOA im seriously gettin' some hardass orgasms now !
Actually pre-orders have already been taken for both the Pro and Standard and both models are sold out for the initial run. There should be another run of them assuming there are no problems with the initial builds. IIRC the first run is being delivered around August, so I would guess orders for the second run would be taken in September.
