The Official Pro-Wrestling Thread

[soliloquy]

In defence of HHH when he was a goofy aristocrat it's worth noting that was Mcmahon's fault as he's in charge and lumbered lots of wrestlers with really bad gimmicks during the mid 90's like the Rock with that horrible perm & flowery outfit, Steve Austin as the Ringmaster, Mankind, Edge and Christian being "brothers" Kane being able to control fire etc.

Thing is that most of the guys who really make it in WWE are saddled with a crap gimmick but they break away from it and form their own character a great example is Steve Austin who was brought in as a jobber but once he got on the mic he blew it up and they had no choice but to start pushing a guy they originally had little faith in.

On another note I'm more a fan of TNA these days but I watched WWE recently and I really like Alberto Del Rio as he's quite a change from the bland faceless guys with porn star type names the WWE seem to be keen on now, plus he reminds me a lot of the classic heels I grew up on like Rick Rude (surely this guy deserves an award for the greatest abs of all time?) and Mr Perfect that were all about being arrogant and really pissing off the crowd to make an impact.

i'm HATING how wwe doesn't really have any heels nor faces anymore. everyone is in this annoying gray area where sometimes they are heels, and othertimes they are face, and it really doesn't 'pop' the crowd the least.

take randy for example. great guy, great wrestler. everyone loves him in the back as he demands justice and wants everyone to get fair and equal timing and blah blah blah....but he comes out and RKOs a heel and he gets great pop from the crowd. then he RKOs a face, and its the same thing.

i still say that in the recent wrestlers that came in the last 15 years, the best heel in my books has been HHH. i LOVED him during the 'power trip' stable with austin (i really started loving him after he tore his leg). i loved him when he fough tHBK. i loved him when he was the denim wearing HHH. i love him when he came back after the invasion angle etc etc....but then WWE pussied him out

 

[Triple-J]

I know what you mean about Randy Orton as I do like him but he just seems to be stuck playing a pg rated version of Stone Cold right now plus when he starts getting ready to do an RKO it's the most unintentionally hilarious thing ever cause slapping the floor while writhing about and gyrating like a stripper just isn't scary.
To be fair to Orton though quite a few other wrestlers seem to be playing weaker versions of past performers too as Cena is Hulk Hogan all over again and Jack Swagger is just a poor mans Kurt Angle minus the technical wrestling skill.

As for HHH I totally agree with you as he's been my favourite heel of the past 10 years and for quite a while he was really exciting to watch as his character just seemed to be getting more devious by the week no matter what was happening around him though I think that the revival of DX really killed him off and they shouldn't have done it without X-Pac and Road Dogg etc anyway.

 

[soliloquy]

no, i think its PG 13 that killed off HHH. and even then, PG13 does not make sense when DX is around. i mean, the very notion of people giving each other blow jobs, and their theme song saying 'does anybody know who's sleeping with who?!' (the original song) is just to negate the entire PG13...so its almost laughable.

but i would disagree about cena. i HATE him! he isn't a wrestler but a body builder. nothing really bad with taht as thats what Val Veinis and others were. however, before the rock came back, Cena was the EXACT same character as Stone Cold AND the Rock with a hint of hogan in him. austin in the sense that he could do no wrong. even when cena was trying to play heel, people loved him. he was face, and people loved him. his mic skills rival the rock (though the rock has some AMAZING energy to him!). and living a 'wholesome' life like hogan and bs... but i think cena would make an AMAZING heel, but WWE is just stupid and wont allow it. they teased the idea when he joined nexus...but he had to play the hero to save all and bs...

another thing i dont like about wwe is that they think their fans are stupid. recently when cena was 'fired' they forgot to take off all mics and other head pieces off of cena when he was 'FU'ing the nexus guys on cars. its other small attention to details that piss me off about it.

and seriously, what are they doing to the divas division!? at one point you had women like lita and trish doing amazing matches that lasted for at least 10 minutes! now, its usually 5 on 5 divas matches taht last no longer than a minute...the fuck?! and all of them are designed to be fuck dolls. like back when the great khali was new and fighting cena, the divas were lined up to interview who would win the match, and i remember kelly kelly saying 'cena cena or khali khali? i'll go with khali khali coz he sounds more like kelly kelly! he he!' and someone else said 'i hope khali wins coz "big guys" are better'....sure reminds me of barbie....

wwe is just stupid in terms of using their talent right.

 

[Bloody_Inferno]

Man I feel old and out of touch with some of the new faces. A lot of the new stars don't feel so memorable to me, IMO the only one of the new guys that left a lasting impression is Kurt Angle. I just don't get John Cena, Randy Orton etc... I guess it's just me.

I was also talking to a few friends about some of the tragic casualties that WWE's had in history. Guys like Bam Bam Bigelow, Mr Perfect/Curt Hennig, Andrew 'Test' Martin, Eddie Guerero and Chris Benoit... The amount of matches, touring, drugs, it's almost parallel to being a rock star. There was an old interview with Jake The Snake that I only just recently saw, that sent chills down my spine.

And then there was that Brett Hart documentary that was the first thing that opened my eyes to the darker side of pro-wrestling entertainment.

 

[soliloquy]

Man I feel old and out of touch with some of the new faces. A lot of the new stars don't feel so memorable to me, IMO the only one of the new guys that left a lasting impression is Kurt Angle. I just don't get John Cena, Randy Orton etc... I guess it's just me.

I was also talking to a few friends about some of the tragic casualties that WWE's had in history. Guys like Bam Bam Bigelow, Mr Perfect/Curt Hennig, Andrew 'Test' Martin, Eddie Guerero and Chris Benoit... The amount of matches, touring, drugs, it's almost parallel to being a rock star. There was an old interview with Jake The Snake that I only just recently saw, that sent chills down my spine.

And then there was that Brett Hart documentary that was the first thing that opened my eyes to the darker side of pro-wrestling entertainment.

wwe was actually VERY close to putting kurt on that list as well. they shit they were making him go through was insane. its ironic that when the rock and stone cold and bret hart, HHH, HBK, Taker and kane were taken out during the invasion angle, WWE used kurt as a work horse. the entire company revolved around him.

he comes to TNA, and its much the same, but he enjoys TNA as they actually take care of him.

hulk hogan was another wrestler WWE almost killed off too. his documentary is pretty interesting as well, though i hate the guy...but i gave him just a bit more respect due to that documentary...



what are your thoughts on Y2J?

 

[Bloody_Inferno]

Admittedly, Chris Jericho's Y2J introduction was when I started losing interest in pro-wrestling, so I can't comment, nor be aware of what was going on behind the scenes. Prior to that, there were some fond memories between his feud with Dean Malenko on WCW....

...which reminded me: Jericho's feud with Chyna made me remember the fact that X-Pac and Chyna did a sex tape... a fact I didn't need to know about at all.

 

[synrgy]

So this thread kinda reinvigorated my interest. I've been doing lots of reading and doc. watching, trying to catch up with stuff I've missed.

I was pretty pissed off this morning when I found out that it was a botched kick to the head from Goldberg that ultimately ended Bret Hart's career.

Anybody here playing WWE All Stars on 360? It's a lot of fun.

 

[ridner]

"Macho Man" Randy Savage is dead, at only 58 years old, following a car accident in his home of Tampa Bay, Florida.

TMZ reports Savage, one of the most popular and flamboyant wrestlers in the sport, suffered a heart attack behind the wheel and lost control of his vehicle.

Starting with the WWF (now WWE) in 1985, Savage enjoyed one of the longer careers in the business, faking multiple retirements, holding grudges in high profile feuds and even enjoying time as a color commentator when he wasn't busy in the ring.

He is survived by his wife of only one year, Lynn Payne.

 

[highlordmugfug]

 

[Customisbetter]

He went right...

 

[Blake1970]

he went way to early... R.I.P.

 

[ittoa666]

This sucks big time.

 

[fretninjadave]

heres a little conversaton i just had with a friend of mine

James Warren angels wont stand a chance until ultimate warrior enters the heavenly ring. 28 minutes ago · LikeUnlike · 1 personBen Garcia likes this.

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<LI class="uiUfiComment comment_2860811 ufiItem ufiItem"> Dave Oh God recruited Macho Man to put the smack down tomarrow when the rapture begins! so from now on its not Rapture it's
MACHO MADDNESSSS!!!! 16 minutes ago · LikeUnlike


<LI class="uiUfiComment comment_2860816 ufiItem ufiItem"> James Warren dude... i was hoping for zombies but if macho man starts flying around on his newfound angel wings we're all fucked... 14 minutes ago · UnlikeLike · 1 personLoading...


<LI class="uiUfiComment comment_2860821 ufiItem ufiItem"> James Warren &#8206;200ft high elbow drops on us all 14 minutes ago · LikeUnlike


<LI class="uiUfiComment comment_2860840 ufiItem ufiItem"> Dave Oh It will be so BEAUTIFUL you wont be able to look away. Even as the elbow smashes down upon THEE with Great Vengance and Furious Anger! 11 minutes ago · LikeUnlike · 1 personLoading...

 

[ZXIIIT]

RIP "Macho Man" Randy Savage 58 is too early.

 

[synrgy]

One of my favorite wrestlers, and a personality my generation will always remember.

One of the best feuds producing some of the best matches in the history of the business was Savage vs Steamboat:

 

[mhickman2]

This is indeed sad news. I'm pretty sure at some point tonight I will raise my glass and say, "Ohhhh Yeeeeeah!".

 

[mountainjam]

Bummer, wwe was alot better back in the day

 

[GuitaristOfHell]

 

[MFB]

OOOOHHHHH NNNNNOOOOO

 

[mountainjam]

It just occured to me slim jims will never be the same now