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i put a pair of 50s made tung-sol 5u4gbs in the tube rec and really like the sound,more so than the jj gz34s i normally use.
also,V1 now has a mazda chrome silver plate 12ax7(early 60s) in there.its one of the rarest 12ax7s ever made.very crunchy,me like alot.
 

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Can anyone give me a wee bit of help? It didn't feel worth starting a thread when i don't think there is a lot involved.

In short, i know a lot about gear, guitars and amps, i can take apart a guitar andput it ack together again blind folded. But nothing at all about repairing/maintaining an amp.

I have a H&K switchblade. Playing through the speaker is a Marshall avt, (i wirsed it so that it would come out of the amp and straight onto the speaker). Obviously this is only so i can play it at home a wee bit rather than to act as a cab.

I'm now getting no sound from the Head, except for what sounds like a small buzz coming from the valves that sounds just like what i'm playing, and not a thing out of the speaker. Could it simply be that the speaker has packed it in from too much power going through it or could there be an actual problem with the head?

Just looking for an idea from people better educated than myself before i get the guns out and trek down to a practice space with real cabs.
 
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Just threw my new 12AT7 into V2 and I like a lot. It's aggressive, has a vicious "brightness" to it that's not shrill and it keeps the gain low, the amp quiet, and it oddly enough makes the amp tighter. I'm gonna wait until I burn in the tube completely, but at the current moment I don't even use my Bloody Murder..this tube seems to tighten everything up better than the pedal can. Honestly it DOES what I was using the BM to do.
 

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v1 is still the mazda chrome.(very impressed)
v2 is a telefunkin(50s NOS diamond stamp)
V3 is a mullard(NOS 50s)
v4 is zariex branded RFT(german NOS 60s)
and v5 is still the LPS
also,swapped the tungsol 5u4s for a pair of sylvania 5u4gb.
amp has a whole new roar and crunch to it.
gain stays at 12 noon.still plenty there lol.
still with =C= EL34s
 

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Got an EH 12AT7 for my 6505 and tried a load of places.............

V5 - too harsh and brittle, tightened up the lows a bit but not 'nuff balls
V1 - lowered the gain considerably, but I found the tone too flubby and wooly after a while
V2 - lowered the gain a little less than in V1, but the tone still gets flubby and wooly
V3 - slight reduction in gain, made the amp a little clearer, not flubby like in V1/2. Thats where it stayed.

At the moment my pre tubes are

V1 - Sovtek 12AX7LPS
V2 - JJ 12AX7
V3 - Electro Harmonix 12AT7
V4 - JJ 12AX7
V5 - Sovtek 12AX7LPS

Stock Rubys in the power
Think I might get another pre tube or two in my search for clarity and punch. :shred:
 
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I bought another 12AT7 for the V4 PI slot to try it. After a while of use, the Sovtek won again. I've learned my lesson. Nothing but the Sovtek 12AX7LPS goes in V4...however I replaced the V1 tube I had with the new 12AT7..magic. It lowered the gain to where the entire scope can be used without going overboard and it just kills.
 

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I want something that'll give me the tightest lowend I can get, with a lot of Mid kick, not too much highs though.
Suggestion?
Running on el34's and ecc83's
Stock (the amps brand new)
 

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just put kt88's in everything.

drak says so. so it makes your amp sound better.












tube snobs.
 

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Pre - GSP2101
GT 12AT7, JJ 12AX7

Power:

=Carvin T100
2xchinese 12ax7
4x mesa el34s

=Fryette 2/90/2
2x EHX 12ax7
2x 12au7
4x Sovtek NOS KT88 :metal:
 

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Hey guys, my first post after reading a lot on here.

In my Peavey Triple X i use:

4 x JJ6l6GC in the Poweramp

and in the Preamp:
V1: Tung Sol 12AX7
V2: TT12AX7 (Chinese made, from the german store TubeTown. I don´t know how this tube is called elsewhere)
V3: Groove Tubes 12AX7R2
PI: Sovtek LPS

The previous owner had it running with all EH12AX7 in the preamp and also JJ6l6GC in the poweramp, but switched it to EL34 mode, don´t know why, Maybe to run them hotter? Didn´t break anything, but sounded kinda meh... very brittle and fuzzy in the high end (what lots of people dislike about the XXX) while being kinda flubby in the lowend.

With the new tube setup it sounds a lot different, thight but big lowend, aggressive but not shrill highs and a good midrange punch. Also it has somewhat less gain, but hey, a XXX has way too much of that anyways.

I was extremely astonished, how well this amp reacts to changes in the different tube slots, in my previous amp (Engl Fireball) tube changes were barely noticeable.
 

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Wanted to show this to everyone, forum member Cygnus X1 (I believe he posts here as well) over on mylespaul.com did a test when we sent him some PM Tubes (which we exclusively sell) to try. He's an amp builder and a tube fanatic. Very extensive test, very informative, he did a great job. Enjoy!

Got a few PM tubes to test, try out, and give some opinions on.
I use all kinds of tubes, from NOS, used vintage, new, newer, and
whatever is kicking around in the parts drawer.
My tube tester is a Hickok 6000A, a portable used by techs in the field
"back in the day".
It was calibrated before I bought it, and I trust it.
I use a set of tubes to test just for calibration only and it is running
within spec.
hickok6000a.jpg

I have not played the tubes yet, here is my test results and opinion thus far:
Tube Test:
Hickok Model 6000A Dynamic Mutual Conductance tester
First tested expected sample Fender branded Chinese 12AX7A
for calibration sample.
Normal Mutual Conductance: Normal is 1250.
Sample Tested at 1400/1425.
Life test good, stays in the positive 1/3 range, -4 mark drop.
NOTE: Life test is subjective, I measure by the amount of drop
under load. Hickok manual indicates if it stays in the green, it is OK.

PM 12AX7A #1: Strong silk screen.
Pins were bent, straightened to fit in the tester socket.
Marked “Made in China”.
Filament Continuity: OK
Triode #1: Tests Good
1350 Mut Cond.
Life test –3 mark drop (Good)
Triode #2:
Filament: OK
Test: Good
1325 Mut. Cond.
Life test –5 mark drop (good).
Conclusion: Tube tests “moderate”, stronger than most premium NOS,
softer than most Chinese.

PM 12AX7A #2: Weak silk screen.
Pins also bent, all over to one side. Straightened.
Filament: OK
Triode #1: Tests Good (Low)
1075 Mut. Conductance (Low)
Life test –3 mark drop (Good)
Triode #2:
Filament: OK
Test: Good (Low)
1100 Mut. Cond. (Low)
Life Test: -3.5 drop (Good)

Conclusion: Significant difference between the two 12AX7 tubes.
Although they should last a long time there should be a noticeable
difference in gain characteristics.
Both were well balanced from one triode to the other.
Either tube could be used as a phase inverter.
Not sure why the pins were bent, the boxes look good and the
tubes were not bottomed out in the boxes.

PM6L6GC:
Base looks cheap, sharp corners on the top of the base.
Has an appearance of plastic rather than bakelite.
Silk screened, no other markings other than the silk screen
on the tube glass.
No indication of manufacturer or country of origin on the
tube or on the box.
Shipped in a duet.
6L6GC #1:
Filament: OK
Test: Good
Expected Mut Cond: 5000 Tests 5250 (Good)
Life Test: -2.0 (Good)
6L6GC #2:
Filament: OK
Test: Good
Mut Cond: 4950 (Weak)
Life Test: -.5 (Excellent)

Conclusion: 6L6 is near the top of the range of the tester.
Although it tests accurately I depend on actual amplifier conditions
to detect any mismatch. Mutual conductance is always borderline
at this range.
I can tell more from current draw on the line test, which was within 5%,
which usually indicates a good match.

The sound test will be the next post...
 

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Playing/listening tests:
First the guitar...1981 or 82 Phantom A5.
Some info here:
The Hamer Prototype[/URL]
Andy Summers used this guitar for the Police "Synchronicity" album.
It has a good LP sound with the bridge HB and a ringing clear sound
with either bridge or neck single coil.
Also has a good "Rosewood FB" Tele sound.
Other players that favor this guitar are Steve Stevens (Billy Idol)
and Glenn Tipton (Judas Priest) who went with different trem systems for it.
Mine is just after the Prototype:
hamerix5.jpg

Shown without that goofy looking scratchplate.
:D
The amp is the Cygnus-7 combo.
2x12AX7, single ended 6L6GB or GC for the power tube.
Good, touch sensitive amp when dialed in just on the
verge of breakup.
First I installed both the PM 12AX7's to isolate the power tube tests.
Tube #1: Groove Tubes 6L6GTR grade#7.
Quiet...but kind of cold. Breakup is fizzy sounding...like a broken speaker.
The speaker is a Celestion G12M70, no risk of breakup...so it's a tube
making that sound.
Tube#2: 1960's GE 6L6GC:
Cleaner, more headroom. Adjusted volume for more breakup.
Midrange more pronounced, it started to "bloom" easily
fretting on the D and G strings.
Harmonics noticeably more pronounced.
Tube #3: PM 6L6GC
Volume went down from the GE.
Adjusted again for a bit of breakup.
Distortion wasn't bad like the Groove Tubes 6L6 was,
but it sounded muffled.
Upper midrange was pronounced, but no bloom
unless I really wheeled up the volume...and that is a
result of the speaker reacting to the guitar.
Another thing...the tube was noticeably hotter when
pulled.
I gave it ten minutes to cool like the others.
Tube#4: Conn 6L6GB (RCA)
Volume output lower (It's a GB rather than a GC).
Clear, very high headroom...the most of them all.
Did not bloom as easily as the GE did.
Nice breakup at twice the volume setting on the amp.
But the animals look scared and my wife came out and gave me a funny look...
(No wonder they used this for an organ tube)!
Tube #5: the other PM 6L6GC
Sounded much clearer than the first one.
Not as good as the GE or RCA, but far better than
the Groove Tubes.
It didn't get as hot as the first PM.
So ranking:
1: Conn/RCA cleanest
2: GE best tone, best breakup, and nice bloom at low volume.
Some people would consider that to be microphonic in high gain situations though.
3: PM #2: Like a cross between GE and RCA, nice sounding tube
4: PM #1: Muddy, but not as bad as
5: Groove Tubes. I already know why they get a bad rep, this confirms it.
12AX7 test in the next post.

Thanks again to Cygnus X1 for doing all these tests for us, he spent a lot of his time to do this and we really appreciate it. :wavey:
 

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What can I use instead of 6V6 power amp tubes? I'd like something to replace them to get rid of the Fat bottom end their giving me.

Thanks
 

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What can I use instead of 6V6 power amp tubes? I'd like something to replace them to get rid of the Fat bottom end their giving me.

Is that for your homemade-amp out of the other thread? If so, no one will be able to tell withtout the EXACT schematic, and then a tech should measure it.
 

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Is that for your homemade-amp out of the other thread? If so, no one will be able to tell withtout the EXACT schematic, and then a tech should measure it.

Yes it's for my vintage amp out of the other thread...thanks for the reply i will look at that closely with the technician at my job!

Cheers!
 

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4-El34's for power, 3 12ax7 pre.

Looking to maybe check out the JJ's
 

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Just changed my lamps, here what I've put:

Amp Model: Engl Thunder 50
Preamp: Engl ECC83 FQ x4
Power Amp: Tube Doctor 6L6GC x2

Will try it a little more and edit this post later to give my impression. So far, nice deep sound, delivers a little more gain but the clean stay smooth and nice.
 

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Just wondering if I could get some advice:

I've got a 6505+ combo, and was looking at changing the tubes. I've currently got JJ 6L6 in the power section, which I like, but I have a TS 12AX7 in V1, and JJ Ax7 in the rest.

I've been a bit disatisfied with the tone of the JJs in the preamp, they are quite thin and dry sounding. I swapped some around with the stock Ruby tubes, and prefered the tone, but the Ruby tubes gave too much low end, and weren't really tight enough.

So I was looking at putting a Sovtek 12Ax7LPS in the PI, and putting in 2 GT 12AX7-C in the preamp section (on a budget :( ). The GTs are supposedly relabeled Shunguang tubes, and are meant to compliment the amp well. However, I wanted some more opinions, so does anyone have any comments on this selection?
 

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fja modded 6505 - full jj tubes high gain set (euro tubes)

Sounds great, very dark punchy and grindy
 
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