The "VS" Thread (Having trouble choosing between two or three guitars? Post here!)

[Kodee_Kaos]

Should I go with a;

ESP Horizon FR-II(will dump the EMG's for DiMarzios probably)

Or a...
Ernie Ball JP6

Either is gonna run me about $1300 used. I've never tried a JP6 though, so Im a bit weary. I do a lot of shredding, jazz etc. Seems like the ESP could be suited to that, seeing as Mahog/Maple/Ebony is a versatile combo, and Im not keeping the EMGS. So eh. ESP's have a very tight feel and are easy to articulate, which I like. Also solid instruments. As for the JP6, I've heard tons of good stuf.

Halp?

 

[Charming_Edgar]

Ibanez RGA7 vs RG7321FM, I plan on putting Dimarzio or Blackout passives in them and playing a wide range of music, mainly heavy, possibly djent.

 

[Stealthtastic]

My rg 7620 and this dudes 1570.

 

[thedarkoceans]

HEEEEEEEELP ME! RGA8 or RGD7320Z?

THIS...

OR THIS?

 

[Bigfan]

RGA8 of the two, but honestly I'd consider a few other options.

 

[thedarkoceans]

like?

 

[Bigfan]

Well, what do you have available? If you're open to sevens and eights, why not sixes? Why only Ibanez?

Do you want fixed bridges or a floating trem? Active or passive?

Your options are pretty radically different from each other.

 

[space frog]

Considering buying a Carvin 8 string guitar. Anyone with experience with it yet? I know it hasn't been out for a long time, maybe that no one even received one yet, but I'm still throwing it out here.

 

[rippedflesh89]

Or anybody else who has these two guitars... they seem very very similar overall..

Id like to know how the necks compare; are the profiles the same, is there a difference with the finishes... how are the fretwork? is one better than the other?

how is the overall quality? does one feel better in your hands than the other? how is the edge zero II bridge and how does it compare to the edge zero (that is if you have a RG1527 with an edge zero).. how is the overall tone? is the prestige really any better than the premium... etc.

and the only reason i posted this as a thread instead of PMing santuzzo is because i know im not the only one here who wants to know..

so please santuzzo (or others), enlighten us all on the new RG927... it looks like such an awesome guitar

 

[highlordmugfug]

in b4: "They both have remarkably minor flaws that made me consider returning them."

ya, santuzzo.

 

[oneblackened]

So, should I go for an Agile Septor Pro 727 in tribal red or an LTD MH-417?
They're pretty much identical save for three things, specwise.
Scale length (27" vs 25.5"), pickups (Cepheus vs EMG), and fretboard (Ebony vs Rosewood).

It all has to do with the first two, because I know I like ebony fb's from playing them and I own a bunch of guitars with Rosewood fretboards.
I've played 26.5" scale guitars which I liked, but I'm not sure how much of a difference the extra half inch makes. Also, the neck profile on the agile... what would you say it's most similar to?

 

[CloudAC]

I own a RG827, same guitar except pups and radius I think? Anyway, when compared to the Prestige RGD I used to own, I honestly think my Premium plays better. Something didn't feel right with my RGD before I returned it, I guess it just didn't suit me in the end.

The neck on this guitar is really nice, as are the frets. The Edge Zero II has stayed in tune perfectly so far, the only difference between this and the Edge Zero is, no intonation bolt and the metal mould isn't as smooth, IIRC.

I have two finish flaws. No side dot, and it looks like one of the screws for the 5 way switch has been tightened a tad too much, and its cracked into the finish. (It sounds worse than it actually is) Its barely even noticeable with the red finish, I will forget about it over time.

Normally these flaws would piss me off, especially on a brand new '11 guitar. But this guitar plays that damn well. Im very impressed. Anything else you wanna know?

Doesn't really matter what I say about the pups since they're different depending on region, but they're decent enough. The high's are a bit too high but the low end is surprisingly nice and tight. Im swapping them both for a Petrucci set.

EDIT : I actually suspect that the 5 way switch flaw was from when the guitar was being shipped here. When I brought it out of the case, it had a fair amount of condensation on it, I think the rapid change in conditions caused the tension of the screw and fragility of the guitars finish to crack into it. Ibanez guitars are well known for their weak, thin finishes tbh.

 

[Santuzzo]

I don't have an RG927, the European version is called RG827, PUs being one difference and fretboard radius another.

Yes, highlord, my Premiums have minor flaws, the Prestiges don't, but I did not return them

ok, back on topic: at first I thought the Premium is absolutely on par with the Prestige (well, apart form the minor finish flaws).

I have to say the fretwork is amazing, better than on the Prestiges, since the frets are rounded off on the edges. BUT the frets on the Premium seem to be a bit smaller.
Neck feels great and to me it feels very similar to the RG1527, but the smaller fretboard radius in the Premium bothers me a bit. It becomes noticeable when bending on the high e-string as the note dies off at a certain point due to the smaller fretboard radius (fretboard is a little more round). And I don't even have a very low action on the Premium.
I think the RG927 has the same fretboard radius as the RG1527 (unless there is a mistake on the Ibanez website), so for the American Premium RG7 this won't be an issue.

The PU's are good, but I have to admit I also like the stock PU's on my RG1527s. But again, on the RG927 you will have other (better) PUs.

Playability of the Premium is great, but like I mentioned above, due to the fretboard radius on the RG827 very low action will result in problems when bending high e or b string.

Overall, I have to say for the price paid these are GREAT guitars, but not quite on par with the RG1527 IMO.
When I played my RG827 for a week straight and then went back to my RG1527M I felt a difference and the RG1527 did feel a bit nicer and played a bit better.

The Edge zero II is great. I have the zero point system installed and the trem is more stiff that way, but I still can do dive's. I can abuse the trem heavily and it stays in tune!
One minor tihng about it is the arm holder screw that let's you adjust how tight/loose the arm stays in position. Well, that screw loosens really quick and you have to re-tighten it often. It will loosen already after getting the bar up or using and pushing it back down so it won't get in the way of the picking hand.

I still have to make proper NGD threads with pics, will do that soon-ish.

I asked my dealer about the minor flaws right after I got the guitars and what bothered me most were tiny dents on the back of the neck of the black RG827. The dents are really tiny and most people would not notice them since they are close to the neck-body joint. The dents can't be seen, but you can feel them when running your fingertip over them slowly. They don't affect playability at all, so I guess it's no big deal, but I was still hoping to maybe get a small discount from the dealer. But they still have not given me a definite answer.....

I hope this helps....


EDIT:
and yes, it seems that minor finish flaws are not very uncommon on these Premiums. This is another difference between the Premium and Prestige line.
I have seven Prestige guitars, only one of them came with a flaw (RG1527Z-BK had a tiny dent in the finish) and had to be returned/changed.
On the other hand: I have the Premiums, both of which have minor flaws. But like I said these flaws are so minor, only someone with OCD (like myself) will notice them and be bothered about them....

 

[Xmusician310]

Thinking of getting a new axe but keep hearing great things about the Dellinger II and the EBMM JPXI. Its a tough decision, any one have any suggestions on these two guitars? Thanks!

 

[Rook]

Completely different except the shape.

JP has thinner neck
JP has a finished neck
JP has DiMarzios
JP has a smaller, vintage style bridge for adding a bit of vibrato whereas the floyd of the Cap is better for big dives and pull-ups
JPXI is effectively top of the top of EBMM's range and the quality (and price) reflect that, whereas the Dellinger 2 is more of a production guitar in some senses. I'd say the EBMM is of higher quality personally but some will disagree.



So which do you prefer? Played either of them?

 

[Behemoth666]

Hello all! completely new to this forum! first post, quick questions.

I am currently jumping from a 6 to 8 string guitar. Im on quite a low budget of $400(I hate being un-employed)

Im stuck between the SC-208 and the H-208. I've known ESP for making Strong sturdy guitars thats perform well. The difference between the 2 guitars are 50$ and on the SC-208 the pickups are closer together(care to explain the advantages/Disadvantages). Aswell as the ESP pick-ups i know will be greater than any random Ibanez pick up or such.

If you know any other guitars in my price range that do well please let me know. I love Ibanez but have always had tuning issues with them.

Thanks, Anthony

 

[Nealios]

So, should I go for an Agile Septor Pro 727 in tribal red or an LTD MH-417?
They're pretty much identical save for three things, specwise.
Scale length (27" vs 25.5"), pickups (Cepheus vs EMG), and fretboard (Ebony vs Rosewood).

It all has to do with the first two, because I know I like ebony fb's from playing them and I own a bunch of guitars with Rosewood fretboards.
I've played 26.5" scale guitars which I liked, but I'm not sure how much of a difference the extra half inch makes. Also, the neck profile on the agile... what would you say it's most similar to?

If you are going to down tune, the 27" scale will keep that bottom string nice and tight without having to get fatter strings to keep up the tension. I've never had any experience with the Cepheus pups so I can't really help you much there, but I will say that EMGs are great for metal. I would compare the Agile neck profile to a Schecter neck, but not quite as fat. If you are looking for a thinner neck the LTD is where you want to be. I was in the same boat last year during Thanksgiving weekend and it was either that LTD or an Agile Interceptor Pro 727. I ended up getting the Agile and it's fantastic. Both are great guitars so it all comes down to application and preference. Happy future NGD.

 

[CloudAC]

Neck feels great and to me it feels very similar to the RG1527, but the smaller fretboard radius in the Premium bothers me a bit. It becomes noticeable when bending on the high e-string as the note dies off at a certain point due to the smaller fretboard radius

I also have this with my guitar, High E frets 17 onwards, they still ring for a good amount though so its not like notes are getting cut off harshly.

One minor tihng about it is the arm holder screw that let's you adjust how tight/loose the arm stays in position. Well, that screw loosens really quick and you have to re-tighten it often. It will loosen already after getting the bar up or using and pushing it back down so it won't get in the way of the picking hand.

This, also. Although I also had it with the Edge Zero, seems like a universal problem.

Overall, I would definitely recommend it if you don't quite have the cash for a 1527, or want the red finish. Its a fantastic guitar, and the playability of it is the high point for me. Its effortless.

 

[jordanky]

I wouldn't complain with either man. I love my JP6's and the other JP models I've played, but from time to time, I pick up my Dellinger II and start playing on it and instantly wonder why I don't play it as much. It's a reoccuring cycle. I would tell you to try them out, but with these two guitars, it would probably be a little tough. So buy one or the other, if you don't like it, flip it and try the other one, lol.

 

[Church2224]

Either way I would try to play one first to see what YOU like. Both are very well built guitars and I would get both of them tbh.