shoot heres another mp3 haha... same cab sim, but different amp sim, "brit hi gain" here
http://premium1.uploadit.org/Elysian893/Shortie2.mp3
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Elysian said:you also can't forget that all the tube amps you hear on albums, have been processed by many millions of dollars worth of equipment, and live is usually the same story, they might as well have brought the studio with them... oh another one with good tone(imo at least) from solid state was chuck schuldiner of Death/Control Denied, he used a valvestate head... i guess you could argue it was sort of tube though... hybrid anyways...
Elysian said:imo.
wonder how many people live in texas, i haven't seen any yet on here, maybe i just haven't looked enough lol... i'd love to a/b my rig against someone on here's tube rig...
where at?guitarjitsumaster said:Hey I live in Texas dude. And Im an SS man all the way bro![]()
Kinda far away, here in Texas City south of houston but in Texas everything is far away. I was in your neck of the woods just last night though picking up a car I bought.Elysian said:where at?
SevenatoR said:I own a modeling amp that I run through a tube power amp into a 4x12 cab live. Last Saturday night, in the second song of our set, it died....one of the guys in the crowd (a friend from another local band) says "hey, I've got my Bogner upstairs, you wanna use it?".
Do I wanna use it? Heh...uhh...yeah....
So, he brings it down and sets it up for me. Had to cut out some cute effects stuff that I usually do and just run it dry, but all things considered, I was just happy to have an amp to get me through the show at this point.
Fire it up, and OH MY GOD. This was an Ecstasy 101B. Running it through my Mesa 412. I was absolutely dumbfounded at how fabulous this thing sounded. Even though it didn't have the preamp gain that I would like, It absolutely killed. I mean destroyed. Slaughtered. Laid to waste. Megatons of volume and tone that I can only describe as sounding like pure electricity. On top of that, it was dead quiet, without a noise gate. Ridiculous.
I used to think that the "high end" or "boutique" amps were just an excuse for some guy who could hand wire an amp in his garage/shop to charge ridiculous amounts of money just because they were "hand wired" or whatever. Now kids, I'm a believer. And while I can't afford one at the moment, I'm saving my pennies.
Worship the toob!!!
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so what i gather from this post is, because you know its digital before you listened, it is obviously missing something. to use your own words, "you're really grasping for straws now"...zimbloth said:Yes Bogners are great amps, although I feel your euphoric experience could be replicated with less expensive tube amps too as long as it was setup properly.
Elysian, I haven't heard your clips yet, I will listen now...(listening)....ok I've listened, the tone isn't bad but TO MY EARS it just sounds very bland and 2dimensional, lacking organic 3 dimensional tube sound. It sounds clear and nice and everything, its just missing that 3rd dimensional to my ears.
This is just my opinion, I'll say again for the millionth time that whatever anyone wants to play is fine, it would just be nice if everyone could hear all the options in optimal conditions before making their choices, it would have saved me YEARS of trial and error.
Perhaps I'll post a little clip of my little tube mesa 22watt combo amp, it wont be loud (as everyone knows tube amps need to be cranked to hit their sweet spot), but it can still demonstrate how night and day tube and ss amps are in tonal character.
its ok, while i'm at roberto-venn i'm actually going to amp class to learn how to build tube ampszimbloth said:It's okay man, I just didn't like the sound very much. I understand it was direct and perhaps through a good poweramp and cab its probably a lot better, I was just going on what I could hear.
I don't know what else to say man, you're a cool dude and I respect your opinions, but I just can't get into SS tone, tube amps just have characteristics that are very attractive to me that I can't live without. It's hard to explain, it would take forever so I'll spare everybody. I wish you were around so we could hear each others rigs but for now we'll just have to agree to disagree.
In other news, I saw that AMS and other online music retailers have started to sell this Randall 50watt tube head (RH50T) at an astonishing $475 pricetag. I've never heard of those models and I believe they are new, but that's the cheapest I've ever seen a genuine tube amp cost brand new. I ordered one just out of curiosity. If it turns out to be great, thats the best value ever. I'll post somewhere on that when it shows up hah.
I like that and I also like the fact that they break up quicker.zimbloth said:I love 50watt tube amps because you can hit the sweet spot at a more managable volume level than with 100 watters.