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angryman said:you ever owned a 5150 mkI per chance? If so what valves did you use in which position?
zimbloth said:Peavey XXX's are switchable, but if you goto EuroTubes.com, Bob explains that newer XXX's have some problems using his EL34 variant, you should read that info I don't remember what it was exactly but its good info for any Triple XXX user.
zimbloth said:3) Tube amps don't get "broken in", where on earth do you get this stuff from? Sometimes BRAND NEW tubes can be broken in after a few hours, beyond that the amp is going to sound EXACTLY THE SAME right up until the tubes wear out which is 1-2 years. They sound go from sounding like crap from amazing or vice versa? They dont 'sometimes warm up and deliver kickass tone and sometimes sound weak unless you're pissing on the pre-amp tubes while you're playing.
Elysian said:tube amps can sound different from day to day, even a change in the weather can make them sound different. happened a lot at band practice with my other guitarist, sometimes his amp would sound decent, other times itd sound horrible. a tube amp will never sound "exactly the same" all the time, they are not very concise, not very exacting.
Drew said:First off, I think you meant "consistant," not "concise," which means quick and to the point.![]()
While it's true that tube amps do vary slightly from day to day, the extent to which they vary (provided we're talking about a modern, well-made amp) is INCREDIBLY slight. There are some days when I turn on my Nomad, and it just sounds ungodly good. There are others when I turn it on, and it merely sounds excellent. I've never turned on an amp and had it sound "bad," only to come back another day and have it sound much better.
And honestly, I'm not sure how much of that is 1.) psychological, some sort of a "placebo effect" where I just haven't played in a little while, or my ears are fatigued, or what, and 2.) how much of that is due to the impact of the tone of my fingers varying day to day, pronounced by the fact my amp is incredibly tonally responsibe to my playing touch (argually more so than a digital rig where, no matter how you look at it, it's undeniable a certian amount of data is being lost due to sampling rates). I can actually hear the difference in tone through my rig between when my fingers are really cold (and thus the calluses are stiffer, which translates to a brighter finger tone) and when they're warmer.
So, I think arguing "tubes suck because some days they sound better than others" is kinda like arguing "Southern California sucks because some days it's 67 and others it's 69." Honestly, that sort of a difference is just splitting hairs, and if you want to hate Southern California and that's all you can find to hate it for, then that sort of speaks volumes for your credibility and expertise on the subject. I'm not saying it's not ok to hate SoCal, to extend the metaphor, I'm just saying if you do make sure you're not making excuses for yourself, you know?
buy a power conditionerLordOVchaoS said:A lot of it has to do with the consistency of the electricity. My house is OLD and the wiring sucks ass so there are some days my amp sounds like ass and others it just blows my head off. I've experimented. If I turn everything else off in my house except maybe my computer and one light bulb my amp sounds quite a bit better than if I have all kinds of shit running at the same time.
In new houses it's not much of an issue unless your electric company sucks or the guy that wired your house is an idiot.
Drew said:There are some days when I turn on my Nomad, and it just sounds ungodly good. There are others when I turn it on, and it merely sounds excellent.
I On the otherhand found it to be quite usuable. With a sonic maximizer in my rack, it slays. SUPREME thrash tone. Its got more of an hotrodded marshall type vibe as opposed to a mesa sound, though you can mod them to get a mesa sound. i gotta get the EQ in my rack, but once i do im sure i'll be totally satisfied.. that and when i get a 4x12 cabinet. 2x15 just doesnt cut it...Elysian said:i hated the mp-1 i tried on my other guitarists jcm800 last year... sounded like complete ass, and its bad when i can't even program a useable tone into it... i could squeeze a useable tone out of a pignose and a digitech death metal crapo distortion.
Metal Ken said:I On the otherhand found it to be quite usuable. With a sonic maximizer in my rack, it slays. SUPREME thrash tone. Its got more of an hotrodded marshall type vibe as opposed to a mesa sound, though you can mod them to get a mesa sound. i gotta get the EQ in my rack, but once i do im sure i'll be totally satisfied.. that and when i get a 4x12 cabinet. 2x15 just doesnt cut it...