sleewell
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which is ironic because the 50-70s are probably what they are referring to when they are saying make America great again.
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which is ironic because the 50-70s are probably what they are referring to when they are saying make America great again.
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I cannot believe that someone with internet access believes so much McCarthyist propaganda in the year 2020, asking "Would you rather have a commie or a con man" like the answer is clear and that a person who is trying to lie and cheat you is somehow preferable to someone who identifies with a political philosophy you admittedly don't even understand. I'm not trying to direct this straight at PIGI, because the scary truth is that there are millions of Americans who actually think this.
The Vietnam War was not justified. You wanna talk about killing babies? How about napalming them. Over nothing. Literally nothing. No skin in the game. Nothing to do with America or the thousands of young men who were forced against their will to go and died there for nothing. It was even started over a false flag, as the Pentagon admitted in 2005 that the Gulf of Tonkin incident didn't even happen. It's fucking disgraceful.
The Vietnam War was not justified. You wanna talk about killing babies? How about napalming them. Over nothing. Literally nothing. No skin in the game. Nothing to do with America or the thousands of young men who were forced against their will to go and died there for nothing. It was even started over a false flag, as the Pentagon admitted in 2005 that the Gulf of Tonkin incident didn't even happen. It's fucking disgraceful.
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zappatton2
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I tend to think education breeds a more nuanced and moderate stance on most issues, but I'm not convinced the US overall does a good job on publicly funded education (FWIW, no nation is perfect on this front, but most G7 nations at least see value in funding the Public Interest beyond just "me and mine").
It seems many of the positions on the American right are so deeply intransigent and fact-poor as a direct result, and it is worrying when the policy implications of that have global ramifications. It's worth repeating, for those that think Democrats are Soviets in disguise, in any other Western democracy, they'd be seen as right-wing corporatists. Beyond the Greens maybe, there is no organized left in the USA.
It seems many of the positions on the American right are so deeply intransigent and fact-poor as a direct result, and it is worrying when the policy implications of that have global ramifications. It's worth repeating, for those that think Democrats are Soviets in disguise, in any other Western democracy, they'd be seen as right-wing corporatists. Beyond the Greens maybe, there is no organized left in the USA.
Drew
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I don't want to be overly flippant, but I think you're underestimating the degree to which the Vietnam and Korean war were parts of the Cold War, where the Russians were supporting the communist regimes in the north, fighting US-aligned regimes in the south, and the war was a lot less about economic models (we entered Vietnam to help support the French, which these days the right likes to derride as the sort of Socialism we need to be afraid of in America) and was primarily about geopolitical power, where we were trying to prevent Russia from spreading their circle of influence.
With that in mind, if you want to talk about spitting on the graves of the men and women who died in the name of Russian containment, well... I kinda wonder if you're supporting the right horse in this race, exactly.
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It's funny to call someone a communist when your country has public roads, police, fire department etc. Why have police protect people out of tax funds and not the medical professionals? Completely illogical but I guess that's the whole point and goal. Gotta feed that narcissist somehow.
In Latin class in high school, my teacher told us that in Ancient Rome the "fire department" was privatized. They would pull up in front of a burning house with residents watching in horror as their belongings and home were destroyed and give them a price that would have to be paid in full before they'd even start to try to put out the fire. If you didn't have enough, they'd just let it burn... but of course they would stick around and watch, with a truck full of water, hoping that the flames would spread to the neighbors.
spudmunkey
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Ordacleaphobia
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Public utilities are a very far cry from communism. Not saying it's correct to call Bernie one either, but that's a stretch.
And what does that statement have to do at all with narcissism?
StevenC
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Public utilities are a far cry from communism, but they're certainly not a capitalist ideal. There's a massive irony in the same people flaunting the socialist boogeyman, while pissing away billions on corporate welfare for defence contractors.
Ordacleaphobia
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Sure, totally a fair point. That's not what was said, though.
Vindman brothers fired. That's fuuuucked.
Add Sondland to the list
BlackSG91
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Correction...TRUMP has done GREAT things for HIMSELF. I laugh at your statement because I'm glad I don't live in the U.S.A. The baby in chief is taking your country down and in a few years Donald will be living a comfortable life in Russia while reaping the rewards of the almighty Russian Ruebel. I think you are TOTALLY CLUELESS!!! The blind leading the BLIND. I'm entertained by your ignorance. Have a fun ride with TRUMP because it's downhill all the way!
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I mean, are you suprised?
I'm actually surprised they (Vindman) weren't court-marital'd and dishonorably discharged.
I suppose wait until Trump figures out that firing them from their NSC/White House posts doesn't fire them from the military.
There's still time.
I feel like you'd see actual backlash if he was court Marshall'd and dishonerably discharged.
But at this point, what the fuck do I know ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
But at this point, what the fuck do I know ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
wedge_destroyer
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Some people might get angry, if they court martialed them, but so what.
If Trump has sufficient evidence to support insubordination charges under uniform code of military justice, being commander in chief, he would be fully within his rights to have them court martialed.
If Trump has sufficient evidence to support insubordination charges under uniform code of military justice, being commander in chief, he would be fully within his rights to have them court martialed.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/jeani...-get-the-hell-out-of-the-united-states-senate
Regardless of what side you are on... this viewpoint is indefensible. She never actually argues his view is wrong (or why), only that his voting against the President is wrong.
Regardless of what side you are on... this viewpoint is indefensible. She never actually argues his view is wrong (or why), only that his voting against the President is wrong.
narad
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This Fox monologue stuff is crazy. Only came to my attention this week, but jeez, it's like a bad WWF beef dialogue. YOU SEE WHAT YOU GET ROMNEYYYY YOU SEE WHAT YOU GET WHEN YOU MESS WITH THE TRUMPPAHH URR GONNA FOLD LIKE A WIMMPPAH
