Vik Drama: Round 3

[Promit]

I admin pages with over 100,000 likes between them outside of work and work in digital marketing full time for a well known electronics company haha.

It's a big dip for a day, but the lifetime of this kinda thing on this internet is measured in hours these days, not weeks, definitely not years.

I wonder if Brendan Eich would agree with you. Sometimes a few days can do a lot of damage.

 

[asher]

I wonder if Brendan Eich would agree with you. Sometimes a few days can do a lot of damage.

There was a lot of internal pressure there too.

 

[Rook]

I wonder if Brendan Eich would agree with you. Sometimes a few days can do a lot of damage.

To continue my previous analogy, that would be the sinking of the titanic.

Very different circumstances, and people still use FireFox.

 

[Veldar]

I'm sixteen, been to my countrie's LGBT parade and homosexual uncle I the best father figure I've had in my life.

I can't believe that someone would openly say they're homophobic, I'm glad that Vik is getting such a negative response I'll set an example that the metal community has/is changing.

 

[Devyn Eclipse Nav]

Makes me wonder what he would think of me, someone who at first appears to be a straight, cis, white male, but is ACTUALLY a transgender queer woman.

His head would spin so much we could probably power the server that supports this site off it.

 

[Wings of Obsidian]

Well, I'm already growing weary of this whole Vik thing, guys... I mean, at least people continuing to blow it up beyond measure by doing stupid stuff (such as the childish insults and posting the gay pornography everywhere). We all got to take our shots at the guy...but some people just take it too far.

This event has proved two good things to me though:
1.) Vik is a bigger dick than any of us could've imagined.
2.) The metal community banned together for a positive cause, specifically a cause that has been controversial and now has to do with our changing of times. (Refer to my pic below.)

Anyway, I posted a status and figured I'd just screenshot it onto here.

 

[jephjacques]

hahaha .... this guy

 

[KultureDekay]

People can come off in many different ways when it comes to disagreeing gay marriage and anything related. Most of the time they quote the bible or whatever (Boring!). But insulting the Cynic dudes and Ola's creation right away? Dayum

btw some assclown told him to take his FB cover off, because according to the clown, Javier Reyes is gay too .

 

[Mik3D23]

But insulting the Cynic dudes and Ola's creation right away? Dayum

Headless guitars aren't Ola's invention. But point taken

 

[Convictional]

Headless guitars aren't Ola's invention. But point taken

He said creation, not invention. There is a difference.

 

[ElRay]

You're still not getting it. People can believe what ever nonsense they want to believe. That doesn't mean that they cannot be corrected when they speak, publish, post, etc. their nonsense. If they don't want their views critiqued, commented on, corrected, etc. then they should keep their ideas to themselves.

Freedom of Speech is NOT freedom from critique, comment or correction.

Vik is free to BELIEVE anything he wants, he just has to deal with the repercussions of begin a bigot. Just as he's free to post his nonsense, people are free to call him out, launch an "internet crusade" and boycott his product.

Threatening violence in not good. So if you're including that in your "internet crusade" label, then I'll agree that that aspect is not acceptable; however, spreading the word that somebody's a bigot and calling for a boycott is totally acceptable.

People earn/deserve respect. Ideas don't. It's not a matter of intelectual superiority to critique, comment or correct ideas released to any public forum.

You hit the nail on the head regarding mythology. There's truly no difference between the stories of Roman, Greek, Egyptian, Norse, Hindu, Japanese, Korean, Chinese, Thai, Aboriginal (Americas, African, Indonesian, Australian, etc.), Abrahamic (Babism, Bahá'í Faith, Christianity (all 300+ Sects), Islam (all 50+ Sects), Judaism (all 30+ sects), Rastafarii, Mandaeans, Sabians & Shabakism), Buddhist, Jainist, Hindu, Scientologist, Raelean, e.g. any of the 2700+ omnipotent invisible buddies created by man, mythology, yet somehow the BELIEVERS get special privilege and are free to preach without critique, comment or correction. That is wrong. If BELIEVERS are free to preach their mythology, others are free to point-out where it makes no sense, contradicts reality, is self-conflicting, hypocritical, damaging to society, been used to justify hate, bigotry, discrimination, violence, etc.

 

[Edika]

I agree with Ray.

People get confused and think because they have resolved some controversial issues in their minds, speak to like minded individuals and frequent parts of the internet that are compatible with their ideology, especially people that don't experience discrimination, that these issues have been resolved. A person or group expressing a controversial opinion is considered anachronistic and any reaction by other group or people is thought as an over reaction by the people unaffected by them.

However people that discriminating are usually quite fanatic about it and just won't give up. They feel that they are on a mission. If there is no reaction hen gradually things start seeping in to the subconscious minds of apathetic people. If a group is quite vocal and manipulates circumstances it can not only push for unreasonable changes but even in cases rewrite history in the minds of the majority.

So yes there is mostly freedom of speech in most western countries, but that doesn't mean it is above criticism. This is the way society progresses. People with stupid ideas control the way things works until another more progressive group takes them on and topples them. Unfortunately that leads to the opposite direction sometimes, which should reinforce the belief that civil and human rights are our own creation that change depending on the majority's beliefs.

 

[HaloHat]

The right to free speech means that you won't go to jail for speaking your mind, however you will still have to face the consequences that follow the things you choose to say.

People seem to forget this a lot.

There are plenty of places in the world today where you will not only go to jail for what you say but where what you say can get you executed. People forget that a lot too.

Internally debating whether or not to post my opinion on the subject in general since this thread has gone way past the VIK issue. Not concerned about consequences, more concerned about the way text in a post can be taken/misunderstood different ways by different people.

 

[HaloHat]

Jobs was an uncompromising asshole, but last I checked, he never behaved in a discriminatory manner against entire groups of people. Except maybe idiots. He was definitely intolerant of idiots.

I think what the other post was trying to say is the problem was that Jobs was the sole judge and jury as to who is or is not an idiot, to use your example. And to disagree with him was your ticket to a new employment search at the least. You were not going to discuss the issues with him. You are to agree or be gone.
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edit: up to Dec. 12th 1980.
Ironic that Microsoft/Gates is who kept Apple/Jobs from going out of business.

 

[narad]

I think what the other post was trying to say is the problem was that Jobs was the sole judge and jury as to who is or is not an idiot, to use your example. And to disagree with him was your ticket to a new employment search at the least. You were not going to discuss the issues with him. You are to agree or be gone.

And Jobs was an employer. The flow of currency is opposite. If I get anything out of these types of scenarios it's that people are outright terrible at proposing reasonable analogies!*

*The 'anal' in 'analogies' comes from the Greek, not the Latin. Homophobes fear not!

 

[HeHasTheJazzHands]

Even Metal Hammer is spreading the news.

http://www.metalhammer.com/news/2014-05-14/guitar-maker-in-hot-water-over-homophobic-comments

 

[StevenC]

This is becoming pretty "Uroboric"...

 

[Nats]

BOOM! He played the Christian card!

 

[petereanima]

Jesus, this motherfvcker really doesn't know when to stop...

 

[HeHasTheJazzHands]

Gay propaganda...