Vik Drama: Round 3
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hairychris
Hairy Old Bloke
This is becoming pretty "Uroboric"...
"I don't judge people based on..."
vs
"I don't like and don't approve..."
Riiiiight.
Chokey Chicken
mouth breather
I had no idea that I chose to like women. It must have had some really nice benefits, considering all the physical and mental shit I've had to go through and still not choose to go back. Yup, I'm so selfish, and find so much pleasure in being with the same sex, that it's totally worth choosing to keep at it, despite the constant harassment.
Perhaps I personally had a choice since I'm bisexual, but I didn't choose that either. And I wouldn't change my love life for anything in the world. My partner certainly didn't choose to be a lesbian, and she's way more secluded than I am. She does fill guilty and shameful and, at least for a while, wanted/tried to change. All because of assholes like this guy trying to pressure people into what they deem normal. Playing the "unnatural" card while they're driving around in cars, eating foods with preservatives, living in houses with climate control, wearing clothes, making guitars. Seriously, if "unnatural" is bad (and homosexuality is certainly natural, albeit the minority), then stop building guitars, or driving around, you ....ing prick.
Perhaps I personally had a choice since I'm bisexual, but I didn't choose that either. And I wouldn't change my love life for anything in the world. My partner certainly didn't choose to be a lesbian, and she's way more secluded than I am. She does fill guilty and shameful and, at least for a while, wanted/tried to change. All because of assholes like this guy trying to pressure people into what they deem normal. Playing the "unnatural" card while they're driving around in cars, eating foods with preservatives, living in houses with climate control, wearing clothes, making guitars. Seriously, if "unnatural" is bad (and homosexuality is certainly natural, albeit the minority), then stop building guitars, or driving around, you ....ing prick.
I didn't call you a bigot. I just stated that the "I don't condone ... but ..." line is often used by bigots that don't want to admit they are. It ranks up there with "I'm not a racist, but [insert some racist comment]"
VigilSerus
Guys gals n guitars
Absolutely. Personally I have battled with myself about why I am the way I am. I've always thought before hand "nah I'm not gonna be gay" and then two years later I find myself attracted to men. At first I didn't think much of it, but then I kept thinking to myself "How did this even happen?" It scared me, and still kind of does. The potential of losing friends and family members is so prominent too, what if they don't want to be around or associate with you? My entire fathers side (sans my father) is Christian. I love them dearly and have fond and great memories with them. If they found out I was Bi, I have no idea what would happen. I feel like it would be negative, but a part of me wants to feel like they'd still be accepting and loving (like a GOOD Christian, that I feel they are).
The whole "choice" thing is ridiculous. Why would someone chose to put themselves through social hell?
Chokey Chicken
mouth breather
A good way of finding out if they'll be accepting is to find their stance on gay rights in general. Like, show support for lgbt issues and gauge their responses. If they're right alongside you in your support, then chances are good that they'll be accepting. Of course, if they're not thrilled with lgbt support, you'll be forced to realize that they probably wouldn't like you for who you are. One could argue that friends like that aren't worth keeping, but at the same time they're the people you've grown bonds with over the years and it's not easy. (And that's not even taking family into account.)
I wish you the best of luck in whichever route you take. I know full well how difficult this kind of thing is. Life's too short to waste time not being happy.
Edit: I should say that religion is the biggest pain in my ass as a bisexual. I'm so insanely bitter towards the religious, it's probably not healthy.
asher
So Did We
Did a bunch of posts get deleted? It looks like there are some phantom arguments otherwise 
Haven't been around in a couple of days, what have you guys been up to?
no_dice
a very bad old bear
Wow, his apology almost comes off like Family Guy's version of Mel Gibson's apology to the Jewish people.
Promit
Well-Known Member
I want to highlight something: he says "as a father, a husband […]" This is a dog whistle. It feeds another storyline that won't everyone just think of the children, that homosexuality is not somethings kids and families can should be exposed to, etc. It's almost a variety if don't ask, don't tell -- Vik is suggesting that being gay is something to be hidden.
Just wanted to make sure everyone saw and knew that. It's a relatively common "soft" opposition to homosexuality that many religious people have.
Just wanted to make sure everyone saw and knew that. It's a relatively common "soft" opposition to homosexuality that many religious people have.
So vik disappoints me sure. but i think that disappoints me as well is the number of people jumping on the hate bandwagon against him. Reading the comments there are a handful of people making sound remarks and the other ones calling Vik something derogatory. I know its the internet and all and you gotta take the good with the bad, but honestly there's a lot of bad on both sides.
Vik's been an inspiration to me, and has influenced my style of building. Its sad to see someone you've admired for a while figuratively take a shovel and bury himself infront of everyone.
Fact remains is that he made a choice to come out and say something that really didnt need to be said. He could have avoided all of this. Whats also the double whammy is that his name IS his business and therefor whatever he says, is representative of the business he runs. While this shouldnt technically affect his guitar building, hes gotta realize that because owning a custom guitar is a luxury, NOT a necessity, people will find another way to scratch the custom guitar itch, while also feeling good about supporting the beliefs of the owner of a business.
Vik's been an inspiration to me, and has influenced my style of building. Its sad to see someone you've admired for a while figuratively take a shovel and bury himself infront of everyone.
Fact remains is that he made a choice to come out and say something that really didnt need to be said. He could have avoided all of this. Whats also the double whammy is that his name IS his business and therefor whatever he says, is representative of the business he runs. While this shouldnt technically affect his guitar building, hes gotta realize that because owning a custom guitar is a luxury, NOT a necessity, people will find another way to scratch the custom guitar itch, while also feeling good about supporting the beliefs of the owner of a business.
asher
So Did We
Dude makes bigoted asshole comments, you get mad at people calling him a bigoted asshole?
There have been very few comments here that go past that. There seems to have been a lot of crap on FB though, which... yeah. Less than cool.
There have been very few comments here that go past that. There seems to have been a lot of crap on FB though, which... yeah. Less than cool.
StevenC
Needs a hobby
yea exactly. I mean sure vik deserves a certain amount of criticism for stating his opinions in those poorly veiled ways. Overall the response is overwhelmingly positive in support for equal rights. I was just noticing certain posts on FB (not SSO, i should have been more clear) with people just chiming in to throw rocks, rather than to make an informed comment. Thats all.
asher
So Did We
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
asher
So Did We
Necris
Bonitis.
I lost it.
ChrisH
Kiesel Specialist
That status/statement he made was fairly well written. I'm under the suspicion he had his business partner in Texas write it up for him.
Mik3D23
things
I'll just leave this here:
