What are some cliches in guitar dominated music that you can't stand?

[JustMac]

I'm curious, what band/s would be accepted by most people participating in this thread then? That is to say, what bands eschew the negative points brought up here?

NOT trolling, I really want to hear this

 

[Jarmake]

I'm quite sure this thread gave me a cancer.

The thing I hate the most is closed mindedness.

 

[tomsargent]

I'm curious, what band/s would be accepted by most people participating in this thread then? That is to say, what bands eschew the negative points brought up here?

NOT trolling, I really want to hear this

Oddly enough, I would say that most things in this thread would be accepted by most people participating in this thread. It seems that everybody's dislikes makes an exhaustive list in the middle of a venn diagram. However, everyone who contributed to this thread each has their own likes that other's listed as dislikes. Somebody earlier stated they hate tritone breakdowns, whereas I enjoy them. I can't stand Korn, but I'm sure someone here appreciates them.

TL;DR - For everyone that dislikes something, someone else enjoys it. Therefore just make the music you like to hear!

 

[JustMac]

What is a tritone breakdown? Is it just playing a b5 power chord in a breakdown-y way?

 

[tomsargent]

What is a tritone breakdown? Is it just playing a b5 power chord in a breakdown-y way?

I'm pretty sure that's what is going on. Most of the time I hear it, the band is playing a drop D style tuning. After doing a 0000 000 000 variety breakdown, they will do a voicing like such:
E|-
B|-
G|-
D|-0-
A|-0- < b5 right there
D|-1-

I sometimes like it, sometimes don't. However, it's not on my list of 'things I hate every time I hear it.'

I just found a video on Youtube exemplifying just this sort of thing. Haha, you will probably hate this (listen @ 1.30)

 

[EvA]

2:47

Edit: is also the time you posted

 

[JustMac]

I just found a video on Youtube exemplifying just this sort of thing. Haha, you will probably hate this (listen @ 1.30)

That's a parody...right?....RIGHT!?

 

[AuroraTide]

When bands want to record in a live setting... If I'm paying for studio time it better wind up with a damn near perfect version of the songs!

 

[Alex Kenivel]

I don't enjoy music where the guitar "dominates" any other instrument. Now if there were a band that were to dominate each other using their instruments, that would be kinda cool, but I'd be more interested in their live performance rather than their audio.

I dislike how guitar "dominates" heavy music in the first place.

 

[NickS]

I have heard of this band, but this is the first time I have really listened to one of their songs. As said before, 2:47. That is what I hate in "metal".

 

[groverj3]

This is comically bad. It's probably the sort of stuff that the scene kids back in high school jerked to.

 

[groverj3]

When people say serve the song it doesnt mean dont play fast. it just means make it enjoyable. Compare Brain Drill and Origin, for example. Both have crazy technical guitar parts, but Brain Drill is unlistenable compared to Origin because the guys in Origin know how to write songs with more going on than 250bpm meedleys.

Regarding production, its all about what fits. Sometimes if you've got ugly, grimy music you want ugly, grimy production to go along with the atmosphere you're trying to create. I personally tend to prefer those styles of music, and I'm not as interested in styles like tech death which tend toward super polished production - not necessarily just because of the production, I just don't find the music that compelling, though I'm sure production has a role in that.

That's not the usage that I'm complaining about. Lots of people use the phrase whenever anyone plays something that's faster than eighth notes or uses notes outside the pentatonic

Regarding the production. I understand your opinion, but respectfully still disagree. There is no situation where I prefer production that makes it hard to tell what's going on. To each their own though.

 

[JohnIce]

Maybe the thread title should be "What are some preferences among other guitar players that you don't think they should have" at this point

Strong preferences in music are dangerous. Preference easily turns to principle which turns to ego, and that can often keep your music from making any sense, AND keep you from discovering cool music from other people. For example, how can you know your song should have a guitar solo or breakdown before you've even written the song? How do you know what style of production it should have? I think it's good to keep an open mind about such things until you know what kind of a song you're dealing with, whether as a musician or as a listener.

If you know before writing a song that you're gonna have a solo, it's gonna have 3/4 melody and 1/4 shred, you're gonna use a 5150 for rhythms and a Mark IIC+ for leads etc. etc. then you have NO right to accuse anyone else of using a "formula" to make music

 

[InCasinoOut]

ITT: haters who don't prove anything otherwise.

Some of you guys are so damn negative about the current state of guitar-oriented music, yet I still wonder why you're not the next big thing. Show us how it's ....ing done then.

If you can go into deep, well-informed detail about the things you hate and feel are overdone, then where is your work that "does it right" and why are you not the next new guitarist that's lauded for a fresh take on the instrument?. All of us have our pet peeves of course, but some of you are just ridiculous...

 

[Jonathan20022]

Anything predictable and boring, there's ways to make anything sound interesting and fresh. People just don't go the extra mile to make that happen, they just find something new and try to copy it and ride coattails.

I honestly don't have a problem with specific riffs, techniques, or styles. I just find the lack of innovation and thinking outside the box really annoying most times. Then again I don't drown myself in a specific kind of music or band when I discover them, so I guess I don't give myself the opportunity to become annoyed with any cliches.

In fact I'd say the things I can't stand in this kind of music is mainly the fans, they always seem to forget that there's other musicians right there producing music. They just glorify a single member, even when there's two guitarists doing leads they pick one to put on a pedestal and it's demeaning to think that other members aren't being appreciated. More so when these people go to live shows and circle jerk the guitarist, it's a very awkward and annoying situation.

 

[Jarmake]

2:47

Edit: is also the time you posted

There was this one time when we were practicing with my old band... It was kinda bodom-ish stuff and I didn't really like it (that's why I quit.), but anyway. On to the story. We were rehearsing and in the middle of a song our keyboard player somehow managed to press a wrong button in his keyboard and boom! there suddently was a very very discoish beat coming out of the pa-system. It reminded that attack attack! song. Everybody just cracked up and we couldn't play for a while 'cause we were laughing so hard.

I guess someone saw something good about technobeats in the middle of a "metal" song and took it further.

 

[Konfyouzd]

In actual music it annoys me that if it's not some boring ass syncopated riff with "DAT TOAN" or a syncopated riff that incorporates some new technique the player just learned and is dying to stuff into a riff, then no one actually pays attention to it anymore.

The more strings you have the more ridiculous stuff you have to be doing with it at all times. If you don't use all the strings, then why the hell do you have it? I didn't use all the strings every song when I played a 6 string, why should I work HARDER now? I just use what I need when I need it and I'm glad it's always aruond to afford me the luxury of making that decision...

Another thing that gets annoying is that ppl seem to assume you're arrogant or think you're better than you are if you can't come up with a concrete label for what you do. If you look at my Soundcloud page, there's absolutely no way you could pick just one genre for the things I do. I don't go out of my way to try and do as many styles as possible in a "my creative dick is bigger than yours" kind of way. I record whatever I hear in my head at the time I decide to record. Sometimes it's a rap beat. Sometimes it's melodic metal. Sometimes it sounds a lot like porn music. Sometimes I don't even know what the hell is going on in my head, but I gotta get the sounds out. The desire to pigeon-hole ourselves seems silly and limiting...

 

[rectifryer]

 

[RustInPeace]

Aside from actual guitar playing/techniques/song structure/whatever, I really cant stand the majority of radio rock music where they all sing about girls/partying/their cocks/drinkin/etc. I bet Nickelback could actually write a half decent metal or hard rock album if they actually tried!

 

[JohnIce]

Another thing that gets annoying is that ppl seem to assume you're arrogant or think you're better than you are if you can't come up with a concrete label for what you do. If you look at my Soundcloud page, there's absolutely no way you could pick just one genre for the things I do. I don't go out of my way to try and do as many styles as possible in a "my creative dick is bigger than yours" kind of way. I record whatever I hear in my head at the time I decide to record. Sometimes it's a rap beat. Sometimes it's melodic metal. Sometimes it sounds a lot like porn music. Sometimes I don't even know what the hell is going on in my head, but I gotta get the sounds out. The desire to pigeon-hole ourselves seems silly and limiting...

Church! The judging eyes, the offended tone of voice although I find this mostly to come from people who are in very genre-typical bands themselves, and thus probably won't like your band out of principle anyway Non-musicians tend to be far less concerned with what to call stuff as long as they like the music.