What happened with Peavey now? the 6505 and 6505+ are made in China?

[MASS DEFECT]

Man, this is sad. Glad I bought a US made one. After all the cr@p China is doing to my home country, I've been trying to avoid buying Chinese products. We all know that IS very very very hard and almost impossible.

Now it gets even harder when nearly all new gear is coming from China.

 

[HeHasTheJazzHands]

Hmmm I wonder if the prices will be less on the Chinese 6505? If peavey amps ever become available on the UK again.

I doubt prices will drop. Maybe by a small margin if at all.
Companies typically don't move production overseas to pass the savings along to their customers

I'd love to see a price drop, but I doubt it'll happen.
Although it HAS happened before when production shifted. When the Wolfgang Specials moved from Japan to China, the priced dropped $300 or so?

My 6505+ combo was made in China, I thought it was common knowledge that these series had been manufactured there for many years?

Nope. The 6505+ 112 was the only Chinese-made 6505 variant for the longest time. It seems that this will be the first year all 6505s will be made in China.

 

[Bish0p34]

Peavey moving production to China and not dropping the prices is a big let down to me. it has ensured that I'll never buy another new Peavey amp again. The 6505 combo is priced great for what it is. $1300 for a chinese head that has yet to have it's long term reliability tested?

No.

We might be seeing the decline of Peavey with this move. A damn shame. They always made affordable amps, that had great quality and a really good tone.

 

[xwmucradiox]

I doubt prices will drop. Maybe by a small margin if at all.
Companies typically don't move production overseas to pass the savings along to their customers

Generally when a company moves production overseas it is an opportunity to return to profitability, not achieve greater profitability. Its likely there was very little profit making the amps in the US and the move to China doesn't get Peavey "savings" as much as a chance to remain a viable manufacturer.

 

[vick1000]

Well, I will never buy another Peavey product. Slick move PV, I'm sure the CFO and CEO will get a big bonus. I hope the Chinese government nationalizes all these US subsidised factories, and they all get sh*t canned.

 

[VBCheeseGrater]

Sucks, but as long as the company keeps up it's standards it won't scare me away. If the alternative means jacking up prices, that would go against what has made peavey what it has been all these years - good working class products as a reasonable price.

I assume there are plants in China that can make a top quality product if given the design and the money to do it right, same as there are plants that will produce the cheapest thing possible.

 

[xwmucradiox]

Well, I will never buy another Peavey product. Slick move PV, I'm sure the CFO and CEO will get a big bonus. I hope the Chinese government nationalizes all these US subsidised factories, and they all get sh*t canned.

What an odd sentiment.

If China nationalized their industry it would lead to a major collapse in their economy as they would be cutting off foreign investment in their nations assets. It would lead to a global economic disaster in general. Where guitar amps are made would become much less important than where food, medicine, medical supplies, and important electronic equipment comes from.

 

[Carl Kolchak]

Funny how the ostensively Communist Chinese are bigger Capitalists than many in the US.

Unless you were working for Peavey, I really don't see how this is going to negatively affect anyone.

 

[USMarine75]

My EVH Wolfgang Specials from China are just fine... they're almost on par with the USA EVH, except one had a QC issue with pickup wiring, and aesthetically I do prefer the birdseye maple to the rock maple.

Besides I don't see anyone questioning the quality of their iPhones...

 

[HeHasTheJazzHands]

Sucks, but as long as the company keeps up it's standards it won't scare me away. If the alternative means jacking up prices, that would go against what has made peavey what it has been all these years - good working class products as a reasonable price.

Pretty much this. It was inevitable. Surprised it didn't happen sooner given how cheap the 6505 was for the longest time. Even quite a few Chinese amps are over twice the price of a 6505.

So yeah, it's either Chinese and HOPEFULLY the same quality as the MiA amp (if they use the same components and all. Randall has shown recently you can make solid amps in China), or 6505 and 6505s+ for the same price as Mesa/Boogies.

Still, though, it is a bit of a hard pill to swallow since the 5150/6505 has been MiA for nearly 25 years.

Besides I don't see anyone questioning the quality of their iPhones...

Actually...

 

[TRENCHLORD]

I just always hate seeing us lose more manufacturing jobs.industries.

That's fine though, Mesa isn't going anywhere anytime soon, and we do still have Carvin and Avatar and many more really. (Krank, Rivera, Fryette, ect....) Plenty of options for anyone wanting to support USA-made products.

 

[xwmucradiox]

Funny how the ostensively Communist Chinese are bigger Capitalists than many in the US.

Unless you were working for Peavey, I really don't see how this is going to negatively affect anyone.

The Special Economic Zones in various trade hubs have been focused on developing growth in foreign investment since the 70s. They have much more control over their localized economic policy than the rest of the mainland. Its a socialist structure that allows growth where true communism simply wouldn't work.

 

[USMarine75]

Actually...

Meh... most companies charge extra for that option.

Besides, I think they'll be ok (iPhone sales by qtr):

 

[feraledge]

Besides I don't see anyone questioning the quality of their iPhones...

They have accepted planned obsolescence as part of the purchase cost. The one word I have used in regards to the entire 5150 line for over a decade has been "workhorse". I don't think anyone would call an iPhone a "workhorse" with a straight face.
But what concerns me more than any notion of nationalist based economics is that, like the workers behind the iEverythings, the people making my amp might one day have to sign a no-suicide clause first like Foxconn's employees do.

 

[USMarine75]

They have accepted planned obsolescence as part of the purchase cost. The one word I have used in regards to the entire 5150 line for over a decade has been "workhorse". I don't think anyone would call an iPhone a "workhorse" with a straight face.

My original comment was actually intended as a joke... but are you suggesting that an American made iPhone would be an inherently better product?

Also, I don't think planned obsolescence has anything to do with country of manufacture, nor does the workhorse label.

Planned obsolescence in cellphones is caused mainly by unwieldy and incompatible firmware updates, whereas in musical equipment it is caused by Bulb and Ola.

The term workhorse is more subjective than anything else.

FWIW LG, HTC, and Samsung are all Korean. Apple is Chinese. All are among the highest rated cellphone manufacturers. The EVH 5150-3 amps are now built in Mexico (the first run Vietnam ones were pieces of .... though! ).

I remember when companies first started using Korea for manufacturing and there was a lot of hatred regarding the initial crap that came out of there (e.g. MIK Peavey Wolfgangs). But now the MIK ESP LTD and Schecters are fairly good quality, I think on par with most comparably priced MIJ and MIA musical equipment. Indonesia is catching up. China has come a long way too since the 1990s - early 2000 Peavey 5150 112 combos.

Oh well just my opinions... like I said it's mostly subjective anyways.

tl;dr They took our jobs...

 

[Edika]

Even though the quality will be better and Peavey is the original manufacturer, nobody will claim Bugera's are cheap Chinese amps with the same confidence as before.

However I do hope they keep the same build quality as MIA because £1100 new is a tough pill to swallow for a subpar amp. The market is not as forgiving as it used to and with the amount of options out there that might not be the wisest move if they can't deliver.

 

[bnzboy]

I am sad this is happening but it seems this is how the world is going to be; cheaper labour cost and maximized production process optimization.

 

[p4vl]

I wonder if Peavey moving the construction of one of their most popular guitar amps to China is an indicator that something is wrong with Peavey's finances?

Quit fiddlin', I smell something burning.

 

[Ibycan7]

this could mean that the U.S made 6505+ made in the U.S would be more desirable therefore going up in value in the used market?

 

[Carl Kolchak]

The Special Economic Zones in various trade hubs have been focused on developing growth in foreign investment since the 70s. They have much more control over their localized economic policy than the rest of the mainland. Its a socialist structure that allows growth where true communism simply wouldn't work.

The only things Socialist structures enable is mass-murder/genocide.

Back OT (sort of), I think this might be a good thing for a smaller US company willing to make good quality amps in the US at a reasonable prices. Get someone to make a 20/5/1 watt mini amp like the Mini Classics/6505s and I'll buy one.