When did a new isp decimator come out?

[Mike]

Cause they are not marketing this thing at all and I can't find any demos of it.

ISP Technologies | Pro Audio Solutions | Decimator Guitar Pedal

Elevate your performance with ISP Technologies' cutting-edge Pro Audio gear, including the groundbreaking Decimator guitar pedal, speakers, amplifiers, and effect processors. Experience unmatched sound clarity and control for musicians and sound engineers worldwide.

www.isptechnologies.com

Their description (aside from all the nonsense marketing jargon) actually makes it sound like it's utilizing some type of key input like the most recent wave of zuul/modified zuul/2203kk gates. I know the previous decimator II G string said it also tracked but I owned one and call bs. It never felt like it tracked squat compared to how key gate pedals are able to open and close using a clean signal feed.

I've owned all of the decimators and have a love hate relationship with them. Tempted to try this one anyway though and see if it's truly some type of combination of current gating tech with ISP's noise detection expertise.

Edit: Also found a longer write up on the new pedals technology in the news section of their site (so I suppose that answers the when lol):

The All New Decimator X Adaptive Noise Reduction Pedal

Elevate your performance with ISP Technologies' cutting-edge Pro Audio gear, including the groundbreaking Decimator guitar pedal, speakers, amplifiers, and effect processors. Experience unmatched sound clarity and control for musicians and sound engineers worldwide.

www.isptechnologies.com

 

[Grindspine]

This is news to me. I've got 2x Decimator II pedals on my Triaxis board (one after input buffer, one after boost pedals) connected via the 1/8" link cable; the 2nd gate does follow the input signal from the link. I've got a Decimator II G-string on my Mark 525 board. That one also tracks the input from the buffer. I don't even use the loop out on that since my Fryette buffer has two outputs.

I also have a Decimate X on my solid state Crate board. That is just a single-ended gate after the input buffer since I didn't want to invest heavily in it. All three Decimator setups I use (four pedals) are superior to the Rocktron Hush or the Electro Harmonix Silencer pedal that I tried.

I wouldn't mind looking into this new X version just to reduce the number of pedals on my Triaxis board from the 2x Decimator II pedals down to one pedal.

 

[rexbinary]

The Deci-Mate X mini and G mini came out in 2018. The full-size Decimator X and G came out last month.

 

[TheWarAgainstTime]

I use two Decimator II pedals in my main rig and have been considering swapping at least one of them for a Deci-Mate to save some space. I'd be interested to see how the X differs from the II as well as how the mini pedals stack up. I've never gotten a clear answer about which "version" the mini pedals are between the I or II, and now I'm wondering if they'd be more similar to the X

 

[rexbinary]

I emailed ISP back in 2018 and asked them about the DECI-MATE:

How does the new DECI-MATE compare to two linked Decimator II pedals? Does
one clearly out perform the other?

Sorry for the late reply. There is no question that 2 of the Decimator II units linked will provide higher performance than a single Deci-mate pedal. The big advantage of the Deci-mate is the smaller footprint and we have made a new improvement in the release time response. This new Decimator X technology, as we are calling it, has an improvement for long sustained notes. There was an improvement in release response when we went from the original Decimator to the Decimator II and now the new Decimator X technology provides the smoothest release yet with virtually no ripple in the decay of long sustained notes. It really depends on playing style, some players who play metal may not notice this difference with more staccato type of playing but other playing styles like rock, blues etc will find this adds to the transparency of the Deci-mate.

The actual effective noise reduction will still be better with two units linked, which you cannot do with the Deci-mate pedal.

Let me know if you have any other questions?

Buck Waller
ISP Technologies

 

[Grindspine]

The link feature really made the Decimator II special, since 2 pedals could be linked to react to the input signal, so 2x Decimator II pedals could perform like a G-string pedal.

On my Mark 525 rig, my Decimator II G-string does have some of the flutter mentioned as a sustained note reaches threshold. I never noticed any of that with the Deci-mate X pedal that I have, but that is less capable since it is set up as a single-ended noise reduction.

I will probably get at least one of the Decimator X G-string pedals to replace the Decimator II G-string.

 

[Mike]

I attempted to run 2 Decimator II's linked when I had a 6505+ (one after dirt, one in the loop before delays/modulations) and unfortunately for whatever reason when linked, there was a terrible hum like there was a ground loop somewhere. I love the idea in theory but it just did not want to play nice for me and I tried everything to resolve it.

 

[The Pierce Paradox]

This is news to me. I've got 2x Decimator II pedals on my Triaxis board (one after input buffer, one after boost pedals) connected via the 1/8" link cable; the 2nd gate does follow the input signal from the link. I've got a Decimator II G-string on my Mark 525 board. That one also tracks the input from the buffer. I don't even use the loop out on that since my Fryette buffer has two outputs.

I also have a Decimate X on my solid state Crate board. That is just a single-ended gate after the input buffer since I didn't want to invest heavily in it. All three Decimator setups I use (four pedals) are superior to the Rocktron Hush or the Electro Harmonix Silencer pedal that I tried.

I wouldn't mind looking into this new X version just to reduce the number of pedals on my Triaxis board from the 2x Decimator II pedals down to one pedal.

If I were you I’d checkout the rack decimeter pro version for your triaxis. I have it with mine and it makes triaxis totally silent. You put your guitar signal through the first loop and then triaxis preamp through the second loop. It’s clean because all cabling is in the rear and not running to your pedal board.

 

[Cpt_Adama]

Wonder if they will incorporate the new tracking tech in their rack units.

 

[Mike]

Well I ordered a Decimator G String X, so I will report back with my findings after I get it and test it out.

 

[rexbinary]

I was considering swapping out my 2x Decimator II for 2x Decimator X. Like you @Mike I haven't really been wowed by the new ones so I'm just sticking with what I have for now. I can't see it being a huge upgrade.

 

[Jacksonluvr636]

Not sure, something to look into for sure. A little off topic but I saw yesterday that they are also building the Vector SL again too

 

[Partario]

I attempted to run 2 Decimator II's linked when I had a 6505+ (one after dirt, one in the loop before delays/modulations) and unfortunately for whatever reason when linked, there was a terrible hum like there was a ground loop somewhere. I love the idea in theory but it just did not want to play nice for me and I tried everything to resolve it.

In my experience, the 6505+ hates any kind of connection from before the amp to the loop. 4 cable method on the G-String, linking two Deci II's, 4 cable method on the Line 6 HX Effects, or even just using the same isolated power supply to power pedals in the front and back will result in hum. I found they don't need to be linked though, it may be how the loop is designed but putting a second gate in the loop allows me to dial out the hiss without coming close to cutting notes off.

What cable were you using to link? The manual states you need an RTS, which I think is wired differently than a TRS.

 

[Mike]

I tried like 4 different cables but yes I was using 1/8" trrs cables, 1/8" phono whatevers too everything I tried did the same thing.

Literally also had and still have the cable rexbinary posted below, still hummed for me.

 

[rexbinary]

I'm linking my Decimator IIs with this cable:

Amazon.com

and I have no issues or hum, but I also have my amp and pedal board plugged into one of these:

Amazon.com

 

[Partario]

I know this is about the new Decimator, but if any of you were planning on nabbing the new one, consider trying the G.U.P Tech M.W.A.C gate first.

I've been a hardcore Decimator fan for 14 years, and none of the newer pedals I've tried like the Zull have come close to dethroning it (in my opinion). My buddy brought the MWAC over and I reluctantly hooked it up in place of my G-String, and holy cannoli this thing is impressive.
It's basically 3 types of gate in one package. You can do standard 2 cable, Zull style 3 cable, or G-String style 4 cable.

I tried 4 cable and was super impressed with how tight it is. I didn't have to set the threshold nearly as high as the G-String, and it felt like it had a wider range between gating the noise and cutting off notes. The G-String needs to be set just right to get a tight gate, and it's easy to start cutting off your sustain. I don't know if it's because the MWAC is all analog, doesn't have a buffer, or is just magic, but it doesn't change your tone at all. Sustained notes sound a lot more natural when they cut off. I'm also able to switch from dirt to clean without adjusting it, just like the Deci.

To be clear, I used 4 cable method but all in the front. Guitar in then out to track the signal, then all my pedals in the actual gate loop, then to the input of my 6505+. I've noticed the amp feels different based on the impedance of the last pedal in the chain, and for whatever reason my amp loves this pedal's output. I have more dynamics and feel with noise reduction as good or better than the G-String. Check this thing out!

Oh yeah, it's only $127 compared to $200+ for most input tracking gates!

https://guptech.ca/products/mwac-gate-noise-gate

 

[Mike]

Trust me the MWAC is on my list. I have literally tried, SUN, AMT Incinerator NG-2, all the Zuuls, G8, All the ISP's (minus the newest) and have still not been 100% happy haha. The SUN thus far was among the best so I have faith the MWAC is also great especially since it's designed to be more sensitive to dynamic playing and sustain. I'm just wishfully hoping the new X Decimator Gstring One X is some now magical holy noise gate grail that combines ISP gate technology with actual 'key' in style gate opening and closing control. But if not, I'll definitely get an MWAC next lol.

 

[Partario]

Trust me the MWAC is on my list. I have literally tried, SUN, AMT Incinerator NG-2, all the Zuuls, G8, All the ISP's (minus the newest) and have still not been 100% happy haha. The SUN thus far was among the best so I have faith the MWAC is also great especially since it's designed to be more sensitive to dynamic playing and sustain. I'm just wishfully hoping the new X Decimator Gstring One X is some now magical holy noise gate grail that combines ISP gate technology with actual 'key' in style gate opening and closing control. But if not, I'll definitely get an MWAC next lol.

I heard the SUN was a Zuul clone, but there was some kind of a chip shortage for it, so they designed their own analog version based on that. Pretty cool.

Looking forward to hearing about the new Deci X, keep us updated!
My deci-mate x mini is microphonic or something when I use it in my effects loop. Like if you tap the power cable you can hear it through the amp... lame. I might just get 2 MWACs lol.

 

[Mike]

The SUN is a Zuul clone but has some resistor values changed to allow better fine tuning range on the pot. It also utilizes a THAT4305 chip instead of the unobtainable and obsoleted previous gen THAT4301. I've built my share of Zuul clones and the chip shortage made it no longer fun lol.

 

[Jacksonluvr636]

I know this is about the new Decimator, but if any of you were planning on nabbing the new one, consider trying the G.U.P Tech M.W.A.C gate first.

I've been a hardcore Decimator fan for 14 years, and none of the newer pedals I've tried like the Zull have come close to dethroning it (in my opinion). My buddy brought the MWAC over and I reluctantly hooked it up in place of my G-String, and holy cannoli this thing is impressive.
It's basically 3 types of gate in one package. You can do standard 2 cable, Zull style 3 cable, or G-String style 4 cable.

I tried 4 cable and was super impressed with how tight it is. I didn't have to set the threshold nearly as high as the G-String, and it felt like it had a wider range between gating the noise and cutting off notes. The G-String needs to be set just right to get a tight gate, and it's easy to start cutting off your sustain. I don't know if it's because the MWAC is all analog, doesn't have a buffer, or is just magic, but it doesn't change your tone at all. Sustained notes sound a lot more natural when they cut off. I'm also able to switch from dirt to clean without adjusting it, just like the Deci.

To be clear, I used 4 cable method but all in the front. Guitar in then out to track the signal, then all my pedals in the actual gate loop, then to the input of my 6505+. I've noticed the amp feels different based on the impedance of the last pedal in the chain, and for whatever reason my amp loves this pedal's output. I have more dynamics and feel with noise reduction as good or better than the G-String. Check this thing out!

Oh yeah, it's only $127 compared to $200+ for most input tracking gates!

https://guptech.ca/products/mwac-gate-noise-gate

Interesting. I just bought a used endless blockade today but if I had seen this I may have tried it.

The new decimator looks like it will be great though.