Nope, just aleph-one more notes, or aleph-one notes in total.If you have a 7th string, do you get aleph-one + 5 extra notes?
Since you can't even start to count the original notes nor the added notes, the countability is still the same.
You only get 5 extra notes on a 7 string.
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Since you can't even start to count the original notes nor the added notes, the countability is still the same.
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MetalDestroyer
Heaven's Football Bat
A low tuned 6 is all fun and games until Petrucci plays a regular ol' G chord and your "g string" is the wrong note
Look, Petrucci needs to keep up with me - not the other way around.
Twiddly diddly shreddy shreddy.
tedtan
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I think someone mentioned it already, but there are only 12 notes in western music, so you’re not actually getting any new notes, you’re getting five new pitches. But, importantly, you’re getting those five extra pitches in every position you play, so the first position, the fifth position, the twelfth position, etc. all have five new pitches without having to shift out of position to reach them.
Neon_Knight_
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If you're not careful, the OP will think you're confirming that a 7-string doesn't offer any meaningful benefit over a 6-string (both have "aleph-one" notes, if fretless).
odibrom
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Well, better and worst can be very subjetive... they require context... and I'm detecting some ingenuity on your behalf regarding context.
... so, you post in a web guitar forum specifically called SEVEN STRING, that is almost as old as Google, where many to most users play 7 string guitars regularly (if not daily) for several years already wouldn't know anything about this? What is your point/purpose in this communication?
This is the way!Only 5 extra notes????
Who ever plays above the 5th fret anyway? Chuga, Chuga, Chuga!
... not the only one though...
... so what if I have a fretless 7 stringer?... where do I fit?If you're not careful, the OP will think you're confirming that a 7-string doesn't offer any meaningful benefit over a 6-string (both have "aleph-one" notes, if fretless).
I'm okay with OP thinking that.If you're not careful, the OP will think you're confirming that a 7-string doesn't offer any meaningful benefit over a 6-string (both have "aleph-one" notes, if fretless).
Maybe OP will find a niche playing two-string guitars with only a high E and low E, since it's the same range of notes as a six string tuned standard. I don't want to stand in anyone's way of accomplishing their dreams.
Metalman X
The Resplendent Sub-Human
shi
shitt, for a little while at least, Max Cavelara and Scott Ian proved most of us could likely get away with just 4 strings actually strung up on a six.
ShredmasterD
Calls it like it is.
you only need one string
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Drew
Forum MVP
You get five extra notes in every scale position on the neck on a seven string. Sure, there are only five additional unique pitches... but you try playing a F on the first fret of the low E and a C on the 8th fret of the high E, vs simply playing that F on the 6th fret of the B string.
I play as much six as I do seven too.... but it's a bit of an oversimplification to focus on the number of unique new pitches, vs the usable range in any position on the neck.
dmlinger
PepperFox Guitars
Someone else watched that Netflix documentary about infinity?? It was goodMore than that, you have uncountable notes.
Stay with me for a second. Infinity implies that you can count how many, there is just no end to the counting, mathematicians call the size of an infinite set of countable numbers "aleph-naught". The concept of "aleph-one" is demonstrably bigger than infinity, because you can't even start counting (chose any "real number" and then try to count starting with the next real number). You have aleph-one notes!
Technically a fretted guitar has infinite notes, because if we bend a string, there are infinite Hz between notes. Just like how there are an infinite number of decimal places between 0 and 1.
I don't have a point I'm making...just enjoyed that doc
Pietjepieter
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Right after reading this I ran up the stairs ready to remove all the frets from my guitars.... they suddenly seems so limiting. But then I realized I can bend within the frets so basically every guitars has uncountable notes, meaning that a seven strings gives uncountable more options....More than that, you have uncountable notes.
Stay with me for a second. Infinity implies that you can count how many, there is just no end to the counting, mathematicians call the size of an infinite set of countable numbers "aleph-naught". The concept of "aleph-one" is demonstrably bigger than infinity, because you can't even start counting (chose any "real number" and then try to count starting with the next real number). You have aleph-one notes!
EDIT: damn to late
Haven't seen it. I minored in mathematics (one class short of a major), which I guess is roughly equivalent to watching a halfway decent docuseries.Someone else watched that Netflix documentary about infinity?? It was good
Technically a fretted guitar has infinite notes, because if we bend a string, there are infinite Hz between notes. Just like how there are an infinite number of decimal places between 0 and 1.
I don't have a point I'm making...just enjoyed that doc
Yeah, I guess if you consider that each tone is not just an idealized sine wave with a frequency of a nominal frequency in Hz, but rather, an infinite series of fourier coefficients and real frequencies, then the situation is even crazier. Each time you play a note, even the same fret on the same string, it's never going to be exactly the same. So, the number of sounds you can make on a guitar is profoundly less countable than I initially represented.
wheresthefbomb
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In this house we tune to B and call that shape "D major." Petrucci can go jiggle a whammy bar.
OmegaSlayer
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When people that never touched a guitar ask me why I use a 9 stringer, I tell them that I suck, so if I strum all the strings at once I have a much higher chance to get at least one note correctly
jaxadam
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Neon_Knight_
Well-Known Member
If you're not careful, the OP will think you're confirming that a 7-string doesn't offer any meaningful benefit over a 6-string (both have "aleph-one" notes, if fretless).
You'll have the same number of notes at your disposal as if you had a a fretless 6 stringer - "aleph-one". I think that means you need to get a fretless 9 stringer.
ikarus
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Whats the title of that documentary?
Is there an echo in here?
