Invictus Guitars Revealed to be Idiots

[RickSchneider]

Jeez guys, drop it!

Is anyone in this thread actually waiting on an Invictus or has experienced one first hand? Obviously no one is jumping in now to try, but in the past has anyone had any hands on testing?

 

[aawshred]

Nobody needs to explain themselves to you. Give it a rest, dude. You're grossly over-thinking this.

 

[MF_Kitten]

Jeez guys, drop it!

Is anyone in this thread actually waiting on an Invictus or has experienced one first hand? Obviously no one is jumping in now to try, but in the past has anyone had any hands on testing?

Did you see the pictures, dude? It doesn't matter if anyone tried it. If build flaws are THAT bad, then there's no way the guitar is worth having, even as a beater.

 

[MF_Kitten]

Coming from someone who hopes to sell his work one day, I couldn't agree more.

What you're doing right is saying "one day". Some people do a test guitar, and due to a lack of insight and self-criticism, realizes that "hey, I'm actually really good at this! Look at it, it has frets and everything! Who knows, maybe i'm even good enough to put a truss rod in it some day!". Then they start taking orders (BIG MISTAKE! If you're a new builder, you should probably just sell finished guitars at first, to get started), and then suddenly BOOM! Invictus/DeVries/Roter happens!

Also, to the guys thinking the Mayones/Duncan contest was rigged and stuff... That's just ridiculous conspiratory stuff. Come on. These companies aren't humongous faceless corporations changing the path of society like they're the fucking Illuminati

 

[RickSchneider]

No, no kitten, I realise that guitar was shocking beyond what should ever sold. What I'm more saying is that there are testimonials going around saying that invictus guitars can be good, I'm more wondering if anyone has played one of the instruments to give a first hand experience. Simply curious.

The photos show a bad guitar, but I'm intrigued if anyone has seen or felt otherwise

 

[bulb]

No, no kitten, I realise that guitar was shocking beyond what should ever sold. What I'm more saying is that there are testimonials going around saying that invictus guitars can be good, I'm more wondering if anyone has played one of the instruments to give a first hand experience. Simply curious.

The photos show a bad guitar, but I'm intrigued if anyone has seen or felt otherwise

It doesn't matter if there are a couple good ones. There are a bunch of terrible ones.
When you buy ANYTHING, you expect consistency. This is what creates brand loyalty.
This is why most professional industries in just about ANY field worry not only about production, but repeatability.

If Invictus managed to put out a few playable, hell even decent guitars, it really doesn't matter, because they did not and could not do it consistently. And the flaws that made it out on some builds are so unacceptable, that it shows a general lack of care and pride in their work. When things are THAT bad, you don't even have to try it to know that it is wrong.

 

[RickSchneider]

That wasn't a question to try to redeem the company, not in the slightest, but simply a question out of curiosity to see if the other testimonials of praise had any bearing. What you are saying is definitely true but I was merely wondering if anyone has actually had a happy ending with one of these guitars - even if they have, the brand has already dug it's own grave.

I can only hope those who are in workings with the company manage to get compensated for what they have paid

 

[Gregori]

That wasn't a question to try to redeem the company, not in the slightest, but simply a question out of curiosity to see if the other testimonials of praise had any bearing. What you are saying is definitely true but I was merely wondering if anyone has actually had a happy ending with one of these guitars - even if they have, the brand has already dug it's own grave.

I can only hope those who are in workings with the company manage to get compensated for what they have paid

How dare you be curious!!

 

[eaeolian]

You're ALL within one post of getting four weeks to think about your behavior in this thread. Everyone understand that? Good.

 

[djentinc]

Just gonna say here that I was informed by an anonymous source that one of the statements by an Invictus customer in The Monolith's article was firstly, not given permission for, and secondly, completely and utterly made up.

 

[Stealthdjentstic]

Just gonna say here that I was informed by an anonymous source that one of the statements by an Invictus customer in The Monolith's article was firstly, not given permission for, and secondly, completely and utterly made up.

And how would he know it was made up?

 

[Demiurge]

Just gonna say here that I was informed by an anonymous source that one of the statements by an Invictus customer in The Monolith's article was firstly, not given permission for, and secondly, completely and utterly made up.

There are direct statements from 3 customers in the article (not counting the webmaster as he never got anything, apparently) and one of them is the nightmare that pretty much serves as the basis of the story... leaving the guy from Hacktivist and an anonymous member of Aliases. Who wants to flip a noise gate?

 

[Danukenator]

Just gonna say here that I was informed by an anonymous source that one of the statements by an Invictus customer in The Monolith's article was firstly, not given permission for, and secondly, completely and utterly made up.

Which statement?

If the statement was made up, why would you expect the author to ask for permission? Doesn't that defeat the purpose of making something up?

With no substance to a remark like this, I'm inclined to believe this is just bull.

 

[-Berserker_]

Which statement?

If the statement was made up, why would you expect the author to ask for permission? Doesn't that defeat the purpose of making something up?

With no substance to a remark like this, I'm inclined to believe this is just bull.

I think what most likely happened is that the author asked permission, he didn't get it, so he went ahead and posted a fabricated comment by someone who "wished to stay anonymous".

If this is true then that is bad bad bad practice!! This does not bode well for the author of the article. It is unwelcome news, truly unwelcome news.

 

[HurrDurr]

I just spent over 2 hours reading everything in this thread:

1) Gareth handled himself EXTREMELY poorly in reference to how he treated his customers and how he went about running his business.

2) Though it's harsh to bash on someone who (from Jiv's words) seemed to have nothing but good intentions, Gareth just isn't at a level of luthiery to be asking for that kind of money and he surely shouldn't be taking in orders when he's got so many and it's just him alone doing all that work. Poor planning and execution, indefinitely.

3) Ever Forthright had a a valid reason for choosing him as an endorsee. He had bands and artists whom people respect on his roster and he was much cheaper than other brands. Had he NOT been using the names of those mentioned artists, I doubt anyone would have bothered, but then again that was probably his point in doing so. It's just sad that what happened happened, but I honestly can't argue with those on here that are saying the band should have done more research on exactly WHO they were getting a guitar from.

4) In response to the ridiculousness of the great Mayones conspiracy of 2013, let it be known that his playing was sick and if you think he was out of tune or key or whatever, then you're probably just unfamiliar with the scales he was using to melt your face with his soul. Also, when Keith MerrBRow tells you politely to shut up, please do. (Especially when Bulb is backing him up -- Automatic Djent power-up equal to +20 Mana and +80 Your Argument Is Invalid).

5) Am I the only one that is puzzled by the Vildhjarta response posted somewhere about "It's not what you think it is" or something like that? (even in speech their lyrics are cryptic -- I LOVE THAT BAND)

Anyway, I hope you all enjoyed my two cents and can agree with my opinions or else we'll be mortal enemies for life and I'll have to slander you for thinking and being differently than me.

P.S. ^^ I really hope everyone understands sarcasm and a little fun and games.

 

[-Berserker_]

I just spent over 2 hours reading everything in this thread:

1) Gareth handled himself EXTREMELY poorly in reference to how he treated his customers and how he went about running his business.

2) Though it's harsh to bash on someone who (from Jiv's words) seemed to have nothing but good intentions, Gareth just isn't at a level of luthiery to be asking for that kind of money and he surely shouldn't be taking in orders when he's got so many and it's just him alone doing all that work. Poor planning and execution, indefinitely.

3) Ever Forthright had a a valid reason for choosing him as an endorsee. He had bands and artists whom people respect on his roster and he was much cheaper than other brands. Had he NOT been using the names of those mentioned artists, I doubt anyone would have bothered, but then again that was probably his point in doing so. It's just sad that what happened happened, but I honestly can't argue with those on here that are saying the band should have done more research on exactly WHO they were getting a guitar from.

4) In response to the ridiculousness of the great Mayones conspiracy of 2013, let it be known that his playing was sick and if you think he was out of tune or key or whatever, then you're probably just unfamiliar with the scales he was using to melt your face with his soul. Also, when Keith MerrBRow tells you politely to shut up, please do. (Especially when Bulb is backing him up -- Automatic Djent power-up equal to +20 Mana and +80 Your Argument Is Invalid).

5) Am I the only one that is puzzled by the Vildhjarta response posted somewhere about "It's not what you think it is" or something like that? (even in speech their lyrics are cryptic -- I LOVE THAT BAND)

Anyway, I hope you all enjoyed my two cents and can agree with my opinions or else we'll be mortal enemies for life and I'll have to slander you for thinking and being differently than me.

P.S. ^^ I really hope everyone understands sarcasm and a little fun and games.

Hurr Durr, you username reminds me of the ERMERGHERD meme. And that makes me smile

 

[HurrDurr]

Hurr Durr, you username reminds me of the ERMERGHERD meme. And that makes me smile

Ha, it's a play on a joke I have between a few friends where we surprise each other with "HURRRRR DURRRRRRRRR!" on random occasions. Making people smile is what we do best!

 

[djentinc]

I think what most likely happened is that the author asked permission, he didn't get it, so he went ahead and posted a fabricated comment by someone who "wished to stay anonymous".

If this is true then that is bad bad bad practice!! This does not bode well for the author of the article. It is unwelcome news, truly unwelcome news.

That was pretty much what happened.

There are other things that The Monolith is doing which is considered bad journalistic practice too and for a site that is trying to look like a serious journalistic tool as well as a blog and a form of social network, it is very bad indeed. I'm not gonna badmouth anybody because that's stupid, but I will say that something might be fishy afoot in there...

 

[Danukenator]

I'm not gonna badmouth anybody because that's stupid, but I will say that something might be fishy afoot in there...

Except by spreading a rumor that you haven't substantiated, you are badmouthing someone, the author.

And you just accused the entire website of bad journalist practices.

 

[djentinc]

And how would he know it was made up?

Because he was asked to provide a statement, and refused.