Kiesel --- Never Again!

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Not that I love these, but Kiesel wishes their paint experiments were half as nice looking as those two Suhrs.

Those weren't experiments, though. Those were thoroughly designed and planned and likely tested several times before they put this out as a production option. We never saw their experiments.


Also, "Really, Kiesel? Crackle finishes? the 80s called and they want their guitars back!"

10 minutes later: "Check out the awesome Suhr!" :lol:

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Exhibit A)

Seriously not a Suhr fan at all, but I'd rock the absolute shit out of that green one; that thing looks sweet. The other one....well....not so much :ugh:

To be fair, Kiesel only builds what the customers request. If a customer has a questionable taste in colors/finishes, it is not really Kiesel's fault for delivering what the customer is requesting. Also, what you might consider ugly might look beautiful to someone else.

The issue with Kiesel's finishes though is that when the customer tells them what they want, they don't always deliver it well, if at all. One only needs to recall the infamous Agile colormatch. I've seen lots of Kiesel posts about how X was requested and Y was what they got, and yeah, like 85% of the time it's close...ish, but still off enough that if I was super sold on a picture I had in my head, I'd be disappointed; but that other 15% is just bad.

I'm not saying they don't make some great looking guitars though. @Albake21 has one coming in that has one of the best finishes I've seen in a long time.
 

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Exhibit A)
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I've always found these to be cheap imitations of Tyler finishes. (Which is kind of my thoughts on Suhr in general—not necessarily a Tyler imitation, but an inferior version of a similar idea.) I do still prefer them to most of Kiesels more adventurous looks though.
 

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Seriously not a Suhr fan at all, but I'd rock the absolute shit out of that green one; that thing looks sweet. The other one....well....not so much :ugh:



The issue with Kiesel's finishes though is that when the customer tells them what they want, they don't always deliver it well, if at all. One only needs to recall the infamous Agile colormatch. I've seen lots of Kiesel posts about how X was requested and Y was what they got, and yeah, like 85% of the time it's close...ish, but still off enough that if I was super sold on a picture I had in my head, I'd be disappointed; but that other 15% is just bad.

I'm not saying they don't make some great looking guitars though. @Albake21 has one coming in that has one of the best finishes I've seen in a long time.
Which I may.... or may not have returned....
 

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Haha ohhhhh no :lol:
Yeah...... It was for a lot of reasons. It came out great, but not to my liking. For one, it looked WAY different from that picture I posted. Now a days, I really require a trem, and I am now having the opportunity to buy an Ibanez LACS directly from my all time favorite guitar player and band. So I'm returning it for now to spend the money else where, but I will definitely plan another build for the future. It was my first build and I didn't really know what I was doing. I'll definitely learn from my mistakes with this one. Thankfully they returned it, no questions asked. Super easy. The guitar itself was great, it was my own fault on what I chose.
 

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Yeah...... It was for a lot of reasons. It came out great, but not to my liking. For one, it looked WAY different from that picture I posted. Now a days, I really require a trem, and I am now having the opportunity to buy an Ibanez LACS directly from my all time favorite guitar player and band. So I'm returning it for now to spend the money else where, but I will definitely plan another build for the future. It was my first build and I didn't really know what I was doing. I'll definitely learn from my mistakes with this one. Thankfully they returned it, no questions asked. Super easy. The guitar itself was great, it was my own fault on what I chose.

Would like to see any pics if you took any, but perhaps over in the other non-Neve-Again! thread. ;)
 

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Would like to see any pics if you took any, but perhaps over in the other non-Neve-Again! thread. ;)
It's not bad, it's just super dark compared to the picture they took. When I placed the order back in May, I was looking for a blue closer to the picture they sent me. Aurora blue though was very new at the time so there weren't many pictures of it. It was a risk, and sadly it didn't work out. No big deal to me since I have another guitar being built right now which should be done next week.

It's like it's not even the same guitar. I tried putting as much light as I could on it and I could never get close to their picture. I was expecting it to look bright just like the picture, but sadly it was very dark. Again that's not the only reason why I returned.

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Not gunna lie, I just checked the in-stock page.
The brighter look is definitely better, though; I see what you mean.
 

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Those weren't experiments, though. Those were thoroughly designed and planned and likely tested several times before they put this out as a production option. We never saw their experiments.


Also, "Really, Kiesel? Crackle finishes? the 80s called and they want their guitars back!"

10 minutes later: "Check out the awesome Suhr!" :lol:

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Charvel did this stuff ages ago, and plenty of MIJ crackle Charvels from the 80s/early 90s. Dont see what the problem with that is, except the MIJ Charvels look a million times better than Kiesel's.
 

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I guess I've been around too many photographers. :p My first thought at looking at the showroom photo was that the pale moon ebony in the background is over-exposed, and that flamed maple on the guitar's top in the lighter spots is never that pale unless it's bleached. I assume since there's no real white in the image that the camera white-balanced itself to something not-quite white, brightening everything up.

i've seen people shit on Kiesel for photographing the Crescent in such a way as to accentuate the carve to be more than it is, which I don't think is really the case, but I've complained to them directly on FB and IG that their photos aren't accurate. They say that they photograph them the way they do to show what they really look like...and that might be true..but it's only what they "really look like" under direct San Diego sun, and not in any realistic environment in the real world that most other people live in, or how most other makers photograph their builds. Taking a guitar into the sun should wow you...not be the expectation of what it would actually look like normally, i think.

And while I'd be more accepting of the saturation "pop" in sicial media posts if it didn't carry through to the photographs of the in-stock guitars. There's got to be some happy medium between their photos, and the garbage "the guitar might as well just be black since you can't actually make out any details" photos that guitar Center uses for the used instruments.
 
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I guess I've been around too many photographers. :p My first thought at looking at the showroom photo was that the pale moon ebony in the background is over-exposed, and that flamed maple on the guitar's top in the lighter spots is never that pale unless it's bleached. I assume since there's no real white in the image that the camera white-balanced itself to something not-quite white, brightening everything up.

i've seen people shit on Kiesel for photographing the Crescent in such a way as to accentuate the carve to be more than it is, which I don't think is really the case, but I've complained to them directly on FB and IG that their photos aren't accurate. They say that they photograph them the way they do to show what they really look like...and that might be true..but it's only what they "really look like" under direct San Diego sun, and not in any realistic environment in the real world that most other people live in, or how most other makers photograph their builds. Taking a guitar into the sun should wow you...not be the expectation, i think.

And while I'd be more accepting of the saturation "pop" in sicial media posts if it didn't carry through to the photographs of the in-stock guitars. There's got to be some happy medium between their photos, and the garbage "the guitar might as well just be black since you can't actually make out any details" photos that guitar Center uses for the used instruments.

Like...I would never ever consider their "Fire" finish based on their Ronald McDonald-lookin' bright yellow and red marketing photos.
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The funny thing is, while I still don't like it enough to buy it, i can see how it might appeal to someone and wouldn't kick it out of bed for eating crackers.
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I guess I've been around too many photographers. :p My first thought at looking at the showroom photo was that the pale moon ebony in the background is over-exposed, and that flamed maple on the guitar's top in the lighter spots is never that pale unless it's bleached. I assume since there's no real white in the image that the camera white-balanced itself to something not-quite white, brightening everything up.

i've seen people shit on Kiesel for photographing the Crescent in such a way as to accentuate the carve to be more than it is, which I don't think is really the case, but I've complained to them directly on FB and IG that their photos aren't accurate. They say that they photograph them the way they do to show what they really look like...and that might be true..but it's only what they "really look like" under direct San Diego sun, and not in any realistic environment in the real world that most other people live in, or how most other makers photograph their builds. Taking a guitar into the sun should wow you...not be the expectation, i think.

And while I'd be more accepting of the saturation "pop" in sicial media posts if it didn't carry through to the photographs of the in-stock guitars. There's got to be some happy medium between their photos, and the garbage "the guitar might as well just be black since you can't actually make out any details" photos that guitar Center uses for the used instruments.

That's definitely a lie. The picture they posted of my JB200 was MUCH brighter than the actual guitar, as I've taken both indoor AND outdoor pics of it. Nothing I have ever taken has come close to the exposure that was on the Guitars of the Day on FB. i'd need to upload the pic of the FB pic, but i have plenty of outdoor pics of it.

Also, you think anyone, even Chris, would be as honest to say "yeah we over expose the pics to make them look nicer" or "We photoshop them a bit?" Hell no. Also, anyone with any eye for pictures can tell that they are WAY brighter in their pics than any pic a customer has taken on their own. It's marketing and they'd never admit to fudging stuff like that.
 

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It's not bad, it's just super dark compared to the picture they took. When I placed the order back in May, I was looking for a blue closer to the picture they sent me. Aurora blue though was very new at the time so there weren't many pictures of it. It was a risk, and sadly it didn't work out. No big deal to me since I have another guitar being built right now which should be done next week.

It's like it's not even the same guitar. I tried putting as much light as I could on it and I could never get close to their picture. I was expecting it to look bright just like the picture, but sadly it was very dark. Again that's not the only reason why I returned.

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Now that's photoshoping. If I'd seen the photos without knowing it's the same guitar I'd thougt they were two different instruments.
 

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Now that's photoshoping. If I'd seen the photos without knowing it's the same guitar I'd thougt they were two different instruments.
Something has to be going on, because I tried my absolute best to get it to look like the picture, and I absolutely couldn't come even close.
 

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It's not bad, it's just super dark compared to the picture they took.
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What are they hoping to achieve with that other than guaranteeing an unsatisfied customer?

"Here is a photo of how your guitar definitely doesn't look, I'm looking forward to your extreme disappointment when you open your package"
 

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I've always found these to be cheap imitations of Tyler finishes. (Which is kind of my thoughts on Suhr in general—not necessarily a Tyler imitation, but an inferior version of a similar idea.) I do still prefer them to most of Kiesels more adventurous looks though.

Having no experience with tyler and very limited time at a suhr dealer, Im curious to know what makes Suhr inferior?
 
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