2021 - State of Baritones/Extended Scale ERGs

[Masoo2]

As the title says, curious what the baritone and extended scale ERG market is looking like today.

I know the SubZero Rogue has been making rounds due to it's use by Loathe and cost, but it seems QC issues are a little too common on them and availability is limited due to the manufacturer struggling to keep up with demand. Of course, it's sub $400 you can't expect a perfect guitar, but I'd rather pay a bit more and end up with a better instrument.

There's always the Ibanez SRC6, not sure if they make them anymore but they're not too hard to find. 30 inch scale, nice neck, but bass electronics. There's been a few forum posts and videos made of them in a guitar-context, but I'm blanking on whether I've heard anyone push them down to D and below.

Are there any >27 inch 7 strings on the market that I'm forgetting? Other than custom/semi-custom of course. I know ESP has released a few 27 inch M/Hs in the black metal, E-II, and signature lineups, but nothing longer than that.

M80M is still available, but I'm not sure if I want another 8 string. That being said, locking bridge/nut and Lundgren pickup are definite plusses.

Chapman has some 28 inch stuff, the ML3 Bea is kinda cool.

Also, any experience with the Warmoth baritone stuff? Was thinking a Soloist from them with the 28 5/8s neck might be an interesting idea, but they don't actually reposition the bridge/pickups, right? Not sure how comfortable I'd be with that much neck sticking out as my arms/hands already struggle a bit with my fanned headless 8's 28 inch low end.

Is there anything else I'm missing other than the vintage-inspired stuff? The Rivolta Mondata Baritone thingy is kinda cool but I'm not sure I'd opt for it over any of these other options.

 

[BigViolin]

Not much to add except Warmoth, unfortunately does not reposition the bridge for the baritone necks as they are designed to retrofit the normal bodies. That Bea looks like it's well laid out.

Always kinda hoped Ibanez would run with the concept and release a 6 and 7 version of the M80M.

You might check Balaguer as they have been adding a ton of options to their palette lately.

 

[budda]

Is the fender VI gone again?

 

[KnightBrolaire]

Schecter hellcat Vi/ avenger VI are good options if you can find them.
Squier Jazz VI (pickups and trem are dogshit though)

Warmoth is a good option ime. I have 4 baritone necks from them on different builds. The only one where the neck repositioning sucks is my jazzmaster build. It makes playing lower frets feel awkward due to how much body is behind the bridge, which shifts everything to the left, when with a longer scale you want the opposite. The less body behind the bridge the better. That's partly why basses tend to have the bridges right at the end of the body.

PRS 277 or Mushoks are excellent guitars.

I think harley benton has a cheap bass VI option too.

 

[JD27]

Balaguer has 30” options on the semi custom side. If I had the cash, the Growler in 30” would be my choice. Unfortunately, my wallet is currently in SubZero status. The other guitar player in Loathe has one of these Gretsch G5260 baritones, they are 29 3/4”.

 

[Masoo2]

Schecter hellcat Vi/ avenger VI are good options if you can find them.
Squier Jazz VI (pickups and trem are dogshit though)

Warmoth is a good option ime. I have 4 baritone necks from them on different builds. The only one where the neck repositioning sucks is my jazzmaster build. It makes playing lower frets feel awkward due to how much body is behind the bridge, which shifts everything to the left, when with a longer scale you want the opposite. The less body behind the bridge the better. That's partly why basses tend to have the bridges right at the end of the body.

PRS 277 or Mushoks are excellent guitars.

I think harley benton has a cheap bass VI option too.

What other Warmoth builds do you have? I'd love a Jazzmaster build but yeah I couldn't imagine it with the stock neck position.

 

[KnightBrolaire]

What other Warmoth builds do you have? I'd love a Jazzmaster build but yeah I couldn't imagine it with the stock neck position.

I've done musiclander, explorer and tele builds.

 

[Taikatatti]

Fender does 27’ subsonic conversion necks, atleast for strats and teles. Should work on Squier too
https://www.andertons.co.uk/guitar-...stratocaster-neck-22-medium-jumbo-frets-maple

 

[diagrammatiks]

in the super cheap range? still not a very wide selection.

but there is a selection which is all you really need.

Cheap

Sub-zero
Harley Benton
Chapman
Ibanez RBIB
PRS 277

26.5
Reverend
Ibanez

Slightly more expensive
Reverend Pete Anderson

Customs
Grosh
LSL

diy
warmoth
fender

china
10s guitars


for the record I still don't think 27 or 26.5 guitars are baritone. but fuck it.

 

[budda]

I think RGI is doing baritone aluminum necks too fwiw.

 

[AltecGreen]

Are there any >27 inch 7 strings on the market that I'm forgetting? Other than custom/semi-custom of course.

Sago in Japan make quite a few.


705mm length scale seven string
https://www.reodell.com/SHOP/sag080.html

From their import line, they make the Seed Kotetsu. 33" scale 29 fret baritone. I have one of these. These run $1k new and $600-800 used.
https://www.reodell.com/SHOP/out002.html

They make three versions expensive versions of the above guitar.
https://www.reodell.com/SHOP/sag056.html
https://www.reodell.com/SHOP/sag057.html
https://www.reodell.com/SHOP/sag055.html


Sago also make quite a lot of custom one off versions of the above guitar. There is a used for sale right now.
https://www.digimart.net/cat01/shop1220/DS06712210/

I have an older custom Sago that is a 30" scale six string baritone.



Dragonfly in Japan make quite a few of their guitars in 666mm length scale. I have one of their seven strings. But these fall into the expensive category.



FGN has made some 664 mm scale tele like guitars.
https://www.digimart.net/cat01/shop1484/DS06283266/

 

[Masoo2]

Sago in Japan make quite a few.


705mm length scale seven string
https://www.reodell.com/SHOP/sag080.html

From their import line, they make the Seed Kotetsu. 33" scale 29 fret baritone. I have one of these. These run $1k new and $600-800 used.
https://www.reodell.com/SHOP/out002.html

They make three versions expensive versions of the above guitar.
https://www.reodell.com/SHOP/sag056.html
https://www.reodell.com/SHOP/sag057.html
https://www.reodell.com/SHOP/sag055.html


Sago also make quite a lot of custom one off versions of the above guitar. There is a used for sale right now.
https://www.digimart.net/cat01/shop1220/DS06712210/

I have an older custom Sago that is a 30" scale six string baritone.



Dragonfly in Japan make quite a few of their guitars in 666mm length scale. I have one of their seven strings. But these fall into the expensive category.



FGN has made some 664 mm scale tele like guitars.
https://www.digimart.net/cat01/shop1484/DS06283266/

Dude YES! I was just thinking about your guitar a few weeks ago but my mind blanked on it. $600-$1000? Definitely a consideration even with import/shipping fees.

 

[AltecGreen]

Dude YES! I was just thinking about your guitar a few weeks ago but my mind blanked on it. $600-$1000? Definitely a consideration even with import/shipping fees.

It's definitely my favorite 'cheap' guitar. They makes these in batches and right now we are on the tail end of the cycle. I only see one new one and one used one for sale in black. The white version usually sells out first. A few weeks ago you could find new and used guitars of both colors.

 

[A-Branger]

which shifts everything to the left, when with a longer scale you want the opposite

yes, but to a degree. Having the bridge too far right makes it uncomfortable to palm mute. Reason why I could never 100% gell with my multiscale headless, felt I was having to have my hand too far back (this is coming from years of playing with an Ibanez Iceman, and mind you I play with the guitar on my right leg).

My current Hype multiscale feel bit more comfortable, and my X multiscale much much better due to the leg cutout that pushes the bridge bit forward

I wouldnt be too worried about the Warmoth neck, specially if you play wiht the guitar on your right leg. A bass neck has more lenght and you still play fine. Maybe if you play on classical possition it could be a problem?.... I would look at it more into the balance/neck dive part of things

 

[KnightBrolaire]

yes, but to a degree. Having the bridge too far right makes it uncomfortable to palm mute. Reason why I could never 100% gell with my multiscale headless, felt I was having to have my hand too far back (this is coming from years of playing with an Ibanez Iceman, and mind you I play with the guitar on my right leg).

My current Hype multiscale feel bit more comfortable, and my X multiscale much much better due to the leg cutout that pushes the bridge bit forward

I wouldnt be too worried about the Warmoth neck, specially if you play wiht the guitar on your right leg. A bass neck has more lenght and you still play fine. Maybe if you play on classical possition it could be a problem?.... I would look at it more into the balance/neck dive part of things

I play in the classical position, so having the neck and everything shifted left is way worse for me.

 

[nedheftyfunk]

All on the cheaper side: Ibanez RGIB21 is 28". Danelectro make a range of, admittedly unusual, 29.75" guitars. The Hagstrom Viking Deluxe Baritone, which is a 28" jazzbox.

 

[TonyFlyingSquirrel]

My buckskinned covered Bari-Tele is one of my fave guitars, feels very natural to me, and the transition from my 24.75 and 25.5 guitars is like second nature at this point.

 

[G_3_3_k_]

ECG does Baritone necks for their guitars. Not cheap though. Not even remotely.

 

[nightlight]

Strandberg Boden. 26.5-28" scale on the 8-stringers usually, I think.

 

[nightlight]

Also, someone posted a Red Layers guitar a couple of threads down. 27.7"-29.4" scale.