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Watts are watts.
Watts are watts, but the way they are measured and represented between amps can vary greatly. I think Fryette claims that even the Mesa 2:90 is closer to 65W than 90W.Not really, no.
It's one of the reasons that measuring amps in wattage is pretty stupid in general, without proper context.
No ones asking about speaker efficiency though hmNot really, no.
It's one of the reasons that measuring amps in wattage is pretty stupid in general, without proper context.
No ones asking about speaker efficiency though hm
Some good points here but I was just comparing the two class D amps against each other. I never made any claims of either one hanging with a 100w tube amp. We do know by this comparison that the Amped 1 can get louder before clipping.So, I own that exact one. There's two problems I can see from skipping strait to that 16min mark.
The first problem is assuming that any solid state power amp like this is going to keep up with a tube amp, remembering at the same time that tube vs. solid don't handle clipping the same way. If you play FKING LOUD it will not keep up. This one won't, the quilter won't, the blackstar won't, none of them will. My comment was comparing two similar class D amps.
My 25w lunchbox Mesa head is a bit louder than the 200w when both are used under the ideal circumstances. My 90w Mark IV eats both of those for breakfast, has a nap, then demolishes the building, even with giant impedance mismatches and awful speakers. It's not apples and oranges, it's apples and Chinese buffets.
The second problem is that he's using an Orange cab. The PPC412 is the worst case scenario for the PS200 because it's designed to put out its full power at 4ohm, and those are 16ohm unless he's rewired it. There's a huge impedance mismatch here. At 16ohm, the wattage is going to be closer to 50-60w (it's not listed in the manual, unfortunately, because - as it says in the manual - it's intended for 4-8ohm loads). So you're comparing what might be a conservatively rated "100w" to 50w to a bunch of tube amps.
As a bonus, I don't know the science behind it, but it's my understanding that perceived volume is not an actual measure of volume or wattage or anything else really. If any of those amps are doing any kind of "simulation" that modifies the signal in a way that would make it be perceived as louder.... well, that'll affect the test.
If you put that same PS200 through a 4ohm Mesa 4x12 instead, with the volume where he had it, you're right back into "holy crap this is too loud" territory.
I'm not the OP. I'm not using hifi amps for guitar. I was giving an opinion that, since I have a little amazon hifi amp, I wouldn't trust it to work well in a guitar setup.Now if you don’t want it, that’s coo with me. I was just listing a potential option. If you already have a PS200 why even bother with hifi amps? Most of them have very dubious watt ratings.
I'd go with the Rocktron out of the one's you're talking about. The room your in and cab will affect effectiveness. When in a thunder god drummer situation you'd be better off with say 2 1x12's aimed properly than a 4x12 for example. Or even a single 1x12 to beam where you want to fill out the room. Getting thump and volume isn't really an issue it's dispersion for monitoring.Mine Velocity has got to be pushing 20 years old at this point, so reliability is definitely a question. And the one time I tried it with a drummer it struggled to keep up.
I may have better luck this time now that I know to run it in bridged mode, but I'm not counting on it.
Now that I know a cheap little class D amp is a viable option, I'll probably buy one of those to use at home which will free up my Crown to be used out and about.I'd go with the Rocktron out of the one's you're talking about
Somethign to keep in mind is class d will punch, feel and breakup a little different. Wether that's an issue is personal taste. I find class-D to be fine but at loud volumes it tends to smack the ear drum harsher because of pulse wave modulation. It doesn't break up like a real amp either. It's harsher. It's like led lights are class-d bright white, solidstate is halogen off white or white, and tubes are incandescent golden sun warmth. lol.Now that I know a cheap little class D amp is a viable option, I'll probably buy one of those to use at home which will free up my Crown to be used out and about.
My hangup before was that the Crown sounded so much better than my other options that I wanted to keep it at home, but if I can get 90% of the way there with a class D amp, I'll just get one of those for home use. That way I won't have to worry about the volume and potential reliability issues down the road.
That makes sense, I like that light bulb analogy. I haven't used one at stage volumes yet, but since I'm feeding it with a modeller I'm not wanting any breakup or coloration of the tone anyways.Somethign to keep in mind is class d will punch, feel and breakup a little different. Wether that's an issue is personal taste. I find class-D to be fine but at loud volumes it tends to smack the ear drum harsher because of pulse wave modulation. It doesn't break up like a real amp either. It's harsher. It's like led lights are class-d bright white, solidstate is halogen off white or white, and tubes are incandescent golden sun warmth. lol.
Nice. What you using for power supply?Update: My new amp arrived. The $25 Nobsound NS-03G off of Aliexpress (without a power supply). Only took a week to get here which is nice. 100w of class D power in an amp that fits in the palm of your hand.
First impressions are that this thing is impressive. It compares quite favorably to my Crown XLS1000. It doesn't impart any kind of flavor to my HX Stomp tone, which is exactly what I'm looking for. It just takes the quiet signal and makes it loud.
It may be a bit brighter and not have as much fullness in the low end like the Crown, but for $25 it's hard to nitpick. I would have no qualms about jamming or gigging with the tone this thing produces. I would take the tone this little amp puts out over my Rocktron Velocity and Quilter Microblock.
Running into an 8 ohm cab with a 19v power supply, at around 1-2 o'clock it was reaching volumes that I wasn't comfortable with sustaining for long, and I didn't hear any obvious distortion or discoloration from the amp.
The real question is going to be reliability, but that's something I'll have to see over time. This little booger is going to stay home and free up my Crown for music outside the home. Overall, I'm super happy with my little experiment and it turned out better than I expected.
Just a 19v laptop supply I have on hand. These amps take a regular DC barrel jack, so according to the manual it'll take anything from 12 to 24v.Nice. What you using for power supply?
I don't have the electronics knowledge to know if it could work, but if it would, I bet it'd sound great.This thread makes me wonder if I could just order one of those ICEpower boards and stick it in a cab to make a powered cab.
I mostly don't either, but it looks straitforward. The boards already have power supplies on them, it might be as simple as buying the board, buying some jack plugs and connecting them up. Maybe. The one that's used in the PS170 is little more than $100. It's tempting to try it.I don't have the electronics knowledge to know if it could work, but if it would, I bet it'd sound great.