Defined is not what i'm going for. It has to Sound like shit. Loud, unforgiving horrible shit!
Making a bass-less, 1-guitar Grindcore band sound heavy as balls.
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Defined is not what i'm going for. It has to Sound like shit. Loud, unforgiving horrible shit!
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iRaiseTheDead
Ashes Of Rebirth
Turn a fridge into a cabinet. I know someone that did it. I don't quite understand how, but it was brutal. Top part. 2x15. Bottom, 4x12
I saw this the other day xD
Demiurge
Well-Known Member
I'm sure that he meant "defined" in that you'd be getting note content instead of the atonal glitchsplosion that you'd get with a normal octaver (which I am a fan of, actually), and then you can dirty it up on your own. The Boss Super Octave has a poly setting, too, but I think it might just let you do power chords.
If you want some dirt and glitchiness, you could try splitting to an MXR Blue Box. It's an octave fuzz where you're blending between 2 octaves down and fuzz, so one end of the knob is almost-pure octave and other end is a nasty, gated fuzz, and there are some pretty nasty settings in between.
DjentDjentlalala
Well-Known Member
believe me,it will work.some friends of mine use this method in their crust/hardcore/techy band,dirty as fuck!
MFB
Banned
This.
The MXR Blue Box is probably my #2 favorite fuzz tone, just because of the fact that it's a different kind of fuzz sound
ittoa666
Being confused on SS.org since 2008
You could always do like Scott Hull and run your guitar into a bass and guitar amp. I think he used Vader 2x12's on their sides for better response, too. It's very complicated.
I plan to go about this by stacking up as many cabs as humanly possible.
I think that's kinda what I'll be going for, yeah
Run a full stereo setup, that is always the first step to any 1-guitar setup sounding huge. Experiment with a few of these ideas, they all work to an extent:
1) Have one amp fully dry (Say you're using a distorted rhythm tone, run it as normal on the amp) then get yourself a delay pedal and send JUST the delayed signal (NOT THE DRY SIGNAL) to the other amp, set the delay to a 7 milisecond delay. Makes it sound HOOOOOGE. Play with the level of the wet/dry amps and maybe the delay time a bit to make sure you don't get a strong chorus effect. John Petrucci demonstrates almost the same thing in this video:
2) Use a very subtle chorus effect on at all (or most) times. It doesn't really BEEF UP your sound, but I find it sort of broadens the stereo spectrum in a way. It's more of an effect than anything, but it does work well when you do it right.
3) Use a sub-octave below your signal at all times. Don't make it TOO strong, you don't want them to hear two separate signals here, you want one big sound, but it can really add beef and balls without sounding weird or getting in the way.
4) If you're running two amps (or even two cabs) make them DIFFERENT! No matter what kind of guitar tone you dial in there's still gonna be frequencies that you've taken over, and frequencies you haven't. Because you don't have a bass player and another guitar player you've got LOADS of other frequencies to use so use them! Two different cabs with different speakers, or better yet two different amps with the tones dialed in somewhat similar, yet different. WALL OF SOUND!!!! \m/
5) When playing through a PA system, you could even get away with just one cab. What you do is mic it up with 2 mics, pan one left and one right. Going with the principle used in number 4, you could mic them slightly differently to get a bigger sound.
I know I'm forgetting at LEAST 2 ideas I had... oh well. Hope that helps!
1) Have one amp fully dry (Say you're using a distorted rhythm tone, run it as normal on the amp) then get yourself a delay pedal and send JUST the delayed signal (NOT THE DRY SIGNAL) to the other amp, set the delay to a 7 milisecond delay. Makes it sound HOOOOOGE. Play with the level of the wet/dry amps and maybe the delay time a bit to make sure you don't get a strong chorus effect. John Petrucci demonstrates almost the same thing in this video:
2) Use a very subtle chorus effect on at all (or most) times. It doesn't really BEEF UP your sound, but I find it sort of broadens the stereo spectrum in a way. It's more of an effect than anything, but it does work well when you do it right.
3) Use a sub-octave below your signal at all times. Don't make it TOO strong, you don't want them to hear two separate signals here, you want one big sound, but it can really add beef and balls without sounding weird or getting in the way.
4) If you're running two amps (or even two cabs) make them DIFFERENT! No matter what kind of guitar tone you dial in there's still gonna be frequencies that you've taken over, and frequencies you haven't. Because you don't have a bass player and another guitar player you've got LOADS of other frequencies to use so use them! Two different cabs with different speakers, or better yet two different amps with the tones dialed in somewhat similar, yet different. WALL OF SOUND!!!! \m/
5) When playing through a PA system, you could even get away with just one cab. What you do is mic it up with 2 mics, pan one left and one right. Going with the principle used in number 4, you could mic them slightly differently to get a bigger sound.
I know I'm forgetting at LEAST 2 ideas I had... oh well. Hope that helps!
Most of the stuff on that list, I'm actually already doing
However, I am a bit wary about the delays. Since this band is playing at full speed ahead, I'll have to be careful not to overdo that. In terms of Cabinets, I'm already running a 2X15 bass cab on one channel, and plan to arrive at two bass cabs + two 4x12s..
If I can find another one of the bass cabs called "1552" by Marshall, I will snag that in a heartbeat! I simply adore the one I have now!
However, I am a bit wary about the delays. Since this band is playing at full speed ahead, I'll have to be careful not to overdo that. In terms of Cabinets, I'm already running a 2X15 bass cab on one channel, and plan to arrive at two bass cabs + two 4x12s..
If I can find another one of the bass cabs called "1552" by Marshall, I will snag that in a heartbeat! I simply adore the one I have now!
Bass cab is a good idea!
The delays are set to just one repeat, so it creates the sound of playing with a second guitar player. Trust me it works at full speed if you set it right. I play lots of metal, everything from djent to thrash to death metal and if you set it right, it works and sounds HOOOOOOOOGE.
The delays are set to just one repeat, so it creates the sound of playing with a second guitar player. Trust me it works at full speed if you set it right. I play lots of metal, everything from djent to thrash to death metal and if you set it right, it works and sounds HOOOOOOOOGE.
petereanima
Br00tal Bubbly Mofo
I have experimented in the last 2 years, since we reduced to one guitar (me), did all the 8ms-delay, dual-amp+cab setup, quadruple micing....and ended up in just double-micing my 1amp+1cab monosetup. Everything above that was just not worth the extra stress&money&space (small tourbus is small).
While of course it DID make a difference with doulbe amp/cab + delayed signal - it was mostly on stage, but not even 1% more in the audience than with just double micing the monosetup. 2 different mics, keep an eye on the phase - perfect.
While of course it DID make a difference with doulbe amp/cab + delayed signal - it was mostly on stage, but not even 1% more in the audience than with just double micing the monosetup. 2 different mics, keep an eye on the phase - perfect.
MF_Kitten
Set up us the bomb
HOLY CUNTSOUP THAT SOUNDS AMAZING
You should buy some used 2X12 subwoofers, or subwoofer enclosures, and fit them with guitar speakers. I'm gunna do that someday. Ported sub enclosures with internal labyrinths FTW!
edit: get a baritone, and tune it low enough that you don't really NEED a bass player.
But more importantly, get a bass amp. split the guitar signal and run it into the bass amp with just enough overdrive that the sound is even, and dynamically similar to the distorted signal. Compression can also help with this. Also, low pass it a little so it doesn't overpower the high end or something.
The 4x15 cab thing never panned out. It was too far away, and I don't have a car. However I am MORE than pleased with my current 2x15 bass cab
I may add a 4X10 cab or something along the way.
Also, I think the tuning are more than low enough!
The faster, powerviolence type stuff is in 6-string Drop C. We'll also be doing some Discordance Axis covers in this tuning. Probably "Pattern Blue" and "The Necropolitan". 7-string stuff is in A standard.
Also, I'm going to rewire my 1982 cab to make it 4 ohms instead of 16 ohm, to give me some more headroom and tightness in that sound. Sometime soon I will probably try and find some Marshall 1960 cabs for cheap as well. I've made a decision to adapt myself to use them. Not because they are my favorite cabs ever, but simply because they're so ubiquitous, so if I have to play on a rented/borrowed backline I'm "used" to these. The reasoning for that is simply because these cabs are everywhere, and I can be sure that any given venue can get them if I ever need to send out a tech rider or some shit.
