NGD: Am I losing my head?

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You probably think I owe an explanation, huh? :lol:
Few points to get out of the way.
1) I would have never thought I would want a headless guitar. It was a long running joke to me. Always more of what Rufus gives Bill and Ted than what Paul Masvidal makes sing. But I have dug the Vader since it was announced.
I hated the former inlay options and I may be of the few amongst SSO that wants to have inalys, but I said that if offset dots would become an option, I would buy one (I'd definitely be gun shy about ordering an Opt 50).
2) With my recent relocation to the middle of nowhere, more travel was going to become inevitable. I can travel without a guitar, but I'd much rather not.
3) I placed the order for this on March 24th, roughly 12 weeks till it was in my hands, just a couple weeks over the anticipated build time of 9-10 weeks and a bit beyond the approximate completion date of June 3rd that I got at the end of May, but who's counting?
However, in the time since I placed this order, it almost felt like Kiesel did everything in their power to make me regret it. I bit my tongue a number of times during other discussions because I didn't want to get a retaliation build or something.

All that aside though, this is a really rad guitar! The oiled neck is slicker than all of my other oiled necks and your hand glides over it like butter. Contributes to the playability excellently, but all around, it plays awesome and sounds killer.
The details:
  • Swamp ash body
  • Maple neck
  • Maple FB (Bird's eye was a bonus)
  • 25.5" scale
  • 14" radius
  • Extra jumbo frets
  • Lithium PUPs
We've all seen a bunch of Vader NGDs now, right? So I should have a good idea of what to expect. Even still, what surprised me was the size of the box. This is a small guitar! The lack of a headstock took some getting used to, but it also sits a bit differently. At least for the first hour I found myself looking down a lot more than usual. Had I gone with the fanned version, probably would be four times that. I played this for hours today and still the size and lightness are kind of strange territory for me.
It plays so good though. The neck is awesome. I went with the standard Kiesel neck profile instead of the thinner and I could see it being a bit thicker than some would like, but it's very similar to my beloved Charvel, but very slick. You can see how perfectly rounded it is. Excellent C shape. Thickness isn't far off from an ESP Thin U or a DK1. Far cry from a Wizard though.
I actually dig the Lithium pickups. I think they pair really well with the swamp ash body. I think with alder or something they would be a touch too bright, but they're really responsive and articulate. The neck leans a bit bright, but it makes the 5 way split a bit more inviting to mess around with. The spectrum is usable but not as drastic as I would say most are. They kind of remind me of Duncan Distortions, at least from today's go, but with the body being a bit more resonant and growly, it gives it some balls for sure.
Never say never, but I don't plan on swapping them out.
The fret work is solid in terms of arriving with the neck dead straight with low action without an unreasonable amount of buzz. It plays solid, but the fret ends could use some rounding. Would be a good option to include. It's not a deal breaker or anything, but I've also been spoiled with extravagant things like my custom Horizon, so maybe it just stands out more because of that. At some point I'll probably round them out.
No structural flaws so far. No nightmare situations.

But there is a caveat. The finish is Kiesel Racing Orange. So I was expecting this:
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Needless to say, when they posted a pic earlier this week, I had a panic moment where I just said, "they blew it, that's straight red!" Decided to wait to see it in person before freaking out.
Now the light does catch it differently. In all of these pics, it certainly does look more red, but in person you can tell it's in the orange territory. Harder to capture, but the lower the light, the more it looks orange.
This other Kiesel Racing Orange is pretty accurate:
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I would have preferred the former to the latter. But it definitely is far more red in the pics than in real life. I need to take some indoor shots to prove that, but I did a color adjustment to give a better indication of how these photos make it look and a better idea of what it looks like in person. Adjusted pic is the second one.
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It's close enough to not merit a complaint or anything, IMO. There is no question that this aspect stands out to me, so I won't not mention it. Obviously Kiesel has a bit of a history with this kind of thing too, so worth bringing up.

Overall though, seriously, it's a cool guitar. I was thinking it'll be a great traveling guitar, but to be honest it sounds absolutely crushing and is a joy to play. I would have no problem touring or recording with it (yes, will post some samples up sooner than later). Even though I have to keep my eyes down a bit more than usual.
Always end on a high note though, right? So I have a plea to Kiesel. This is a rad guitar, a lot of yours are. These kind of options at this price point is such an awesome thing to have at your disposal and I would gladly consider more after having such a great first impression with this. Please, please, please just drop the PR shenanigans, the negative attacks, the customer service spats and the like and just do what you do best: build guitars like this. This really does speak for itself.
And I genuinely dig it without regret. But there's no reason to keep doing things to test the limits of that.
 

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I seriously thought it was Ferrari Red until you mentioned it was KRO. :lol:

What kind of travelling will you be doing with it? Any air travel? I'll pester you like I'm pestering all other Vader owners these days: Do you think the gig bag will fit in an airline overhead compartment?
 

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I seriously thought it was Ferrari Red until you mentioned it was KRO. :lol:

What kind of travelling will you be doing with it? Any air travel? I'll pester you like I'm pestering all other Vader owners these days: Do you think the gig bag will fit in an airline overhead compartment?

Yeah, it sucks to have to be told that it's not red. :lol: Definitely less of an issue in person.
Car travel mostly immediately and it's great to take up seemingly half the space of a standard guitar with hardshell case. But I will do air travel in time and report back after I do. I do think it would fit though, the guitar is not big, but in the case it looks even smaller.
 

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For a second there I thought you were thinking of cutting the head stock off your custom ESP... Phew!
 

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You know your NGD's really make me feel a lot better after my promise of not buying any more gear and then buying a guitar and amp head shortly after that (and almost buying a couple of guitars th past two months) :D.

I have to say the guitar looks really nice and I'm really surprised how the color varies between photos. I've seen guitars look slightly different in photos and real life but this is quite more reddish than what you get. Anyway congrats and it's always a good thing to get something for a specific use and find out it kicks all sort of ass and can be used in a wider range of applications!
 

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I seriously thought it was Ferrari Red until you mentioned it was KRO. :lol:

What kind of travelling will you be doing with it? Any air travel? I'll pester you like I'm pestering all other Vader owners these days: Do you think the gig bag will fit in an airline overhead compartment?

I traveled from Tampa, FL to western China with an HH2 which has the same size gig bag as the Vaders and didn't have any issue stowing it in the overhead compartments. For my flight over the Pacific especially, the compartment had a TON of space. Even smaller compartments on planes suited for relatively short domestic flights will still fit it, you just have to hope there is space available when you board.
 

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I think your finish looks nicer than the orange you posted. Cheers, play the strings off of it!
 

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I traveled from Tampa, FL to western China with an HH2 which has the same size gig bag as the Vaders and didn't have any issue stowing it in the overhead compartments. For my flight over the Pacific especially, the compartment had a TON of space. Even smaller compartments on planes suited for relatively short domestic flights will still fit it, you just have to hope there is space available when you board.

Are you sure? The Kiesel site says the HH comes with an SC7 bag and the Vaders come with an SC9.

Either way, it's at least good to know that the HH will fit, since that's on my radar, too. :lol:
 

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When I ordered a pearl orange (custom color) vader, I had the same "red" result you've seen. It's DEFINITELY orange, but in pictures its really hard to capture it right. I think the satin finish compounds on that.

Nice NGD. :)
 

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Congratulations - it looks great and they're some super-simple appealing specs. One'd be hard pushed to describe the colour in those photos as orange, but at least its a darn vibrant red!
 

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The guitar looks stunning, I love it, however... there's a huge wood knot at the back of the neck... it's likely to cause structural instability, isn't it?
 

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^ That's figuring, not a knot :lol:

That is definitely red from where I'm looking, a lot of vibrant/neon colors do that. Glad it turned out well man! Enjoy.
 

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Are you sure? The Kiesel site says the HH comes with an SC7 bag and the Vaders come with an SC9.

Either way, it's at least good to know that the HH will fit, since that's on my radar, too. :lol:

Hopefully this helps scale things. That's an SKB 66 case it's next to.
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When I ordered a pearl orange (custom color) vader, I had the same "red" result you've seen. It's DEFINITELY orange, but in pictures its really hard to capture it right. I think the satin finish compounds on that.

Nice NGD. :)

I definitely agree. I think it is more red of an orange than I was hoping for. And I think most of the KRO guitars I've seen are satin though.
Here is the shot of the guitar, unadjusted, under incandescent light. Then a comparison pic with my Black and Decker drill which is also orange.
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And a group shot.
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To answer the unasked question, yes, this is a very perfect bathroom guitar as well. :lol::lol:
Also, I didn't mention the Hipshot bridge in the OP. I've played them before and put them through the ringer to remain impressed. But now owning a guitar with one and having really gone at it in terms of bends and pinches, even as a Floyd owner, I'm really impressed with it. I went with Floyds after years of feeling like I couldn't stop tuning TOM guitars that I loved and haven't looked back. I would definitely consider the Hipshot bridge a solid contender. Comfortable and solid.
Tuning stability is great on this.
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Under the direct incandescent I'd call it orange, without a blink or pause. But back under natural indirect lighting though, its red, at least in the photo. Bit of a chameleon.
 


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